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He's scared of flying: AIBU to want my DP to fly before we get married

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Wawawaa · 10/07/2017 13:32

Sorry, long post... My DP developed a fear of flying about 10 years ago and hasn't flown for that amount of time. We've been together for about three years and he's always portrayed this as something quite mild and that he's not opposed to flying but that he just prefers to travel by train/boat etc.

I like to think of myself as quite an adventurous person who has lived in other places and although I don't go on many holidays I like to explore new places.

To date in our relationship, we've only been on holiday to places that we could go to by train which has limited our choice and made trips a bit more draining and also shorter than they could have been (like 12 hour train journeys to places in France, effectively cutting two days off the holiday).

We are planning on getting married in September and I feel as though he owes me a flight before we get married. AIBU?

I've suggested a holiday flying to Nice in France and although at first he said yes, he then said no because "it's too expensive" (I managed plan it down to £250 for five days including flights and airbnb). He is now suggesting somewhere in the UK but is insisting on hotels which will cost a lot more... and has since admitted that he just doesn't want to fly and that "now is just not a good time" for him to fly.

I'm worried we'll have an odd kind of marriage like a couple I know where one is scared to fly and the other does lots of interesting things all by himself. It's almost a kind of non-relationship imo.

My DP has never painted his fear of flying as such a major thing so AIBU to feel that he now owes me a flight (so to speak) on our next break? (If I'd had known at the start of the relationship that he would potentially never ever fly anywhere, I might have considered not dating him, although that's now not an option).

On another note, he tells people casually at work and in job interviews where flying is required, that he doesn't like flying and so is of course discounted from getting these roles. He seems to think it's quite a normal thing, not to like flying - I don't love it myself but I still fly. Is this an odd thing to admit to and to actually be so afraid that your fear of flying outweighs your curiosity about the world, interest in other cultures, opportunity for interesting new jobs etc? Or am I just being very non-understanding?

He has told me that his ex was very annoyed about him not flying, so was probably one things that contributed to their break up... He has been on a course about it before but didn't get on the flight at the end. He's not keen on doing another course or hypnosis as "it'll be another thing on his to do list".

In my mind I'd like us to be the type of people to trek through the mountains in some far flung place with a baby in a sling (yes, probably unrealistic anyway but I like the thought). AIBU to feel that he sort of owes me a bit of effort and to step out of his comfort zone (as I have done, using up half my annual leave on cramped train journeys) before we say "I do"?

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MrsTerryPratchett · 16/10/2023 16:46

peachgreen · 16/10/2023 16:17

That's so kind of you @MrsTerryPratchett, thank you. I miss him every day. I'd love to see his reaction to me flying off by myself quite happily – he'd be a mixture of amused and annoyed I didn't manage it before now!

It's love to have those emotional 'memories'. Thinking about who they were and how they felt. Sorry for your loss.

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peachgreen · 16/10/2023 16:17

That's so kind of you @MrsTerryPratchett, thank you. I miss him every day. I'd love to see his reaction to me flying off by myself quite happily – he'd be a mixture of amused and annoyed I didn't manage it before now!

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DeeCeeCherry · 16/10/2023 15:16

Well he could have admitted the extent of his phobia to his partner eventually. Why should excuses be made for him? I love travelling sometimes but I'm also a real homebod, I'm not someone who has to go abroad to feel that I'm living. However I wouldn't be interested in someone who couldn't ever get on a plane. If OP doesn't want to accept his phobia meaning they can never travel abroad together then she doesn't have to. Women aren't there to be 'The Help' as in a man's issue must immediately become hers, especially when he wouldn't address it seriously and completely. She should leave. & he should do what he should have done in the 1st place - find his type - ie someone who's cool with only being in UK. Not everyone wants to travel abroad and they dont have to. However, OP does want to. If OP stays he'll just say he'll sort it 'one day' & that day will never come.

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MrsTerryPratchett · 16/10/2023 14:41

peachgreen · 16/10/2023 09:59

Given OP posted this in 2017, I’m pretty sure she’s made her decision by now! Interestingly though, I responded back in 2017 saying that I was petrified of flying and could only do it heavily medicated and if DH was there. DH died in 2020 and after that, two things changed: 1. I got treated for my generalised anxiety (with fluoxetine) and 2. I had no choice but to fly alone and unmedicated as my family live abroad so if I wanted to ever see them I had to do it, and DD was only 2 so there was no diazepam allowed! Anyway, as a result of those two things, I got over it and now I’m totally fine with flying and do it all the time. Things can change even when you don’t believe they ever could.

I'm so incredibly sorry that your DH died. It's very kind of you to post that things can change for someone Flowers

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Hellenabe · 16/10/2023 12:44

I find this topic interesting because I often wonder if I'll ever find a partner because I hate flying. I didnt fly for years then did a trip but it really does wipe me out. Im numb the entire journey then I can't relax anywhere as I know there is a flight back. I even felt suicidal for being such a failure at travel. I think you need to be honest and if its an issue, break up. You both deserve someone who suits your hopes/dreams. I'm a brilliant partner otherwise, and I assume your partner is too.

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Bonjovispjs · 16/10/2023 12:38

ZOMBIE!!!

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Nevermind31 · 16/10/2023 11:49

You both need to be honest with each other.
will he fly? Not at some point in the future. Will he fly by x date? If no, is this a dealbreaker for you? Not going on long haul holidays? Only certain European ones?
is it a dealbreaker for him if you insist on flying?
what does your future look like for each of you (you flying and meeting him there?)?
and can you both live with that?

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TheCatterall · 16/10/2023 11:48

I reckon he has no intention of ever addressing this and just expects you to accept it. He’s minimised it in the past to you and now the truth is starting to come out.

I know plenty of people that have had to try a few different methods to be able to cope with phobias before finding the one that works for them.

yes it’s uncomfortable for him to sort it out - but it’s affecting his career prospects, past and present relationship - and he still doesn’t want to sort it out?!

there’s been understanding and supportive and then there is the resentment you will have years down the line when he’s still done nothing about it.

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peachgreen · 16/10/2023 09:59

Given OP posted this in 2017, I’m pretty sure she’s made her decision by now! Interestingly though, I responded back in 2017 saying that I was petrified of flying and could only do it heavily medicated and if DH was there. DH died in 2020 and after that, two things changed: 1. I got treated for my generalised anxiety (with fluoxetine) and 2. I had no choice but to fly alone and unmedicated as my family live abroad so if I wanted to ever see them I had to do it, and DD was only 2 so there was no diazepam allowed! Anyway, as a result of those two things, I got over it and now I’m totally fine with flying and do it all the time. Things can change even when you don’t believe they ever could.

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DeeCeeCherry · 16/10/2023 09:54

He has said before that he will tackle it at some point, so I suppose I need to accept that. The only thing is thought, that with him, everything is "at some point" which usually means in some theoretical landscape which may never happen.

This isnt good. You’ll be fed up and resentful in no time. His style is minimising and avoiding generally. How many things are on his 'at some point' list? He's reeled you in by future faking in this particular respect. He doesnt sound to have been totally honest and upfront about the extreme levels of his fear of flying either. People who avoid doing stuff via pretending they will do it 'one day' rather than admit that No, they won't, are jarring.

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WrylyAmused · 16/10/2023 09:40

Saying he will and actually doing it are very different, especially as he's already tried a course once, and is now reluctant to do it again.

Given you can't change him, would you be happy if he never flew throughout your lives together?

Do you, for example, have friends to go on holiday with, and would both of you be ok with at least some separate holidays? Or a lifetime of holidays that accommodate his fear?

Would you be ok with a lifetime of holidays with the potential future DC only to places you can get to by train or drive? Or managing the DC alone if you desperately wanted to fly somewhere?

I don't think I would, in which case you can state to him that this is your boundary and you need him to deal with the fear before you commit, but it's up to him whether he does or not, and up to you whether you accept that restriction on your future life.

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Takacupokindnessyet · 16/10/2023 08:46

Yabu but if you are this set on flying with him, end the relationship now as this is going to cause a lot of resentment on both sides.

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HunkyRory · 16/10/2023 08:39

I have a severe fear of flying. However I finally got on a plane after 10 years on a short flight and have flown 4-5 times since then. I did this for myself no one else. I absolutely hate it and it’s so embarrassing but my DP is so understanding and holds my hand the whole time. I was shaking involuntarily on our last 3 hour flight and there was a lot of turbulence. I’ve still not managed to fly over 3 hours since 1999.

Flying has actually started help me over come the fear gradually but this is due to wanting to go places more than I do not want to go.

I don’t know what to suggest to be honest a phobia has to be something the individual wants to do, not their partner on an ultimatum. Fear of flying to this extent seems ‘silly’ but I have a fear of heights so being so high up in the sky with absolutely no way to get down for the duration of a flight is torture.

I don’t think you can guilt someone into it, you can either accept it or you cannot

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KimberleyClark · 16/10/2023 08:36

Does he drive? Does he realise he’s at more risk in his car than in an aircraft?

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Icepop79 · 16/10/2023 08:31

Zombie thread

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BadLad · 12/07/2017 11:46

I did the Virgin flying without fear course a few years back and haven't flown since.

I realise this wasn't your intention but that made it sound like you were able to fly until you did the course.

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Roomster101 · 12/07/2017 11:44

I couldn't marry someone like that - can you really accept that you'll never see the Grand Canyon, trek up Kilimanjaro, ride a camel across the desert, snorkel around the Great Barrier Reef...etc. unless you've got tons of annual leave and enough cash to do family holidays as well? You'd be missing out on the world, other cultures and languages, incredible experiences...

The majority of families with children don't do those things anyway so arguably you are just talking about things OP won't be able to do in at least 20 years time, once the children have left home assuming they are still together and in a physical condition to trek up mountains. It doesn't seem that tragic really...

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Boredboredboredboredbored · 11/07/2017 20:41

I did the Virgin flying without fear course a few years back and haven't flown since. I have tried hypnotherapy, the Allen Carr book, used copious amounts of diazepam and got very drunk. The problem is it makes me physically ill, vomiting, palpitations, hyperventilating, diarrhoea, unable to eat. I simply cannot relax and enjoy a holiday as I know I've got to fly home.

I know I will never fly again, not for anyone.

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Canadalife · 11/07/2017 20:40

Hold fast...I suggest that OP DP may not have deliberately lied. It may be that he may not have realised that he has a significant mental health issue. He may have a phobia, irrational as it is it is a disability. Many people say there are scared of flying...and they may be ...but a phobia is a different thing. Often admitting to an issue is the first step to treating or overcoming it.

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AHedgehogCanNeverBeBuggered · 11/07/2017 20:29

LonelyMummy but fear of heights is totally different! Being afraid of flying means seriously restricting travel opportunities for potentially the rest of OP's life. Not going up high when with your other half is nothing!

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callmeadoctor · 11/07/2017 20:23

Poor, poor man! can't believe the poster who said that he lied and entrapped you!!!! He has a phobia that he is embarrassed about, about something that certainly isn't the end of the world if he doesn't get it sorted. Hopefully you can get help and sort it together, but you love him don't you?

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Lonelymummyof1 · 11/07/2017 20:17

My now partner who Intend to marry ...is petrified of heights yet I would free jump out of a plane , abseil from anywhere and a complete adrenaline junkie.
He can not even handle a rollercoaster 😂
It would never have ever crossed my mind to leave him because of it or not get married because I love him and who is regardless.

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Fl0ellafunbags · 11/07/2017 20:11

Furchester

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sskk2tog · 11/07/2017 18:44

It's only fairly recently that not flying could even be an issue, previous generations didn't have the luxury of being able to fly all over the world, did they live unfulfilled restricted lives? Maybe you think they did.
It's amazing to me that everyone now feels entitled to be able to fly whenever they want, that it has quickly become a thing that you're expected to do or else you're missing out.
I think the fewer of us that fly the better, the environment needs us not to fly!

I guess you just have to decide how important this one issue is to you. Can you accept never flying with your future husband and family? Because there is a chance he'll never get over it.

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