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He's scared of flying: AIBU to want my DP to fly before we get married

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Wawawaa · 10/07/2017 13:32

Sorry, long post... My DP developed a fear of flying about 10 years ago and hasn't flown for that amount of time. We've been together for about three years and he's always portrayed this as something quite mild and that he's not opposed to flying but that he just prefers to travel by train/boat etc.

I like to think of myself as quite an adventurous person who has lived in other places and although I don't go on many holidays I like to explore new places.

To date in our relationship, we've only been on holiday to places that we could go to by train which has limited our choice and made trips a bit more draining and also shorter than they could have been (like 12 hour train journeys to places in France, effectively cutting two days off the holiday).

We are planning on getting married in September and I feel as though he owes me a flight before we get married. AIBU?

I've suggested a holiday flying to Nice in France and although at first he said yes, he then said no because "it's too expensive" (I managed plan it down to £250 for five days including flights and airbnb). He is now suggesting somewhere in the UK but is insisting on hotels which will cost a lot more... and has since admitted that he just doesn't want to fly and that "now is just not a good time" for him to fly.

I'm worried we'll have an odd kind of marriage like a couple I know where one is scared to fly and the other does lots of interesting things all by himself. It's almost a kind of non-relationship imo.

My DP has never painted his fear of flying as such a major thing so AIBU to feel that he now owes me a flight (so to speak) on our next break? (If I'd had known at the start of the relationship that he would potentially never ever fly anywhere, I might have considered not dating him, although that's now not an option).

On another note, he tells people casually at work and in job interviews where flying is required, that he doesn't like flying and so is of course discounted from getting these roles. He seems to think it's quite a normal thing, not to like flying - I don't love it myself but I still fly. Is this an odd thing to admit to and to actually be so afraid that your fear of flying outweighs your curiosity about the world, interest in other cultures, opportunity for interesting new jobs etc? Or am I just being very non-understanding?

He has told me that his ex was very annoyed about him not flying, so was probably one things that contributed to their break up... He has been on a course about it before but didn't get on the flight at the end. He's not keen on doing another course or hypnosis as "it'll be another thing on his to do list".

In my mind I'd like us to be the type of people to trek through the mountains in some far flung place with a baby in a sling (yes, probably unrealistic anyway but I like the thought). AIBU to feel that he sort of owes me a bit of effort and to step out of his comfort zone (as I have done, using up half my annual leave on cramped train journeys) before we say "I do"?

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BarbarianMum · 10/07/2017 14:15

The thing is, even if he did take a "test flight" before marriage, there is no guarentee that he's going to agree to flying again thereafter. If this is important to you, you need to sit down and spell out your expectations post-marriage. Would he agree to booking a honeymoon you need to fly to fi?

I wou;dn't have married dh if he refused to fly as I love travel too much. I'm a pretty nervous flier myself but I do do it for a really good destination.

JoandMax · 10/07/2017 14:18

His fear is clearly a really massive deal, I had a major phobia of flying (I got so bad I cancelled a flight and refused to fly for a while) but even I managed the flight at the end of a course! To not be able to go through with that must mean he is severely affected by this....... Most people will experience a big improvement after doing the courses.

I think you need to ask him to be honest with you, if his fear is so bad he won't ever be able to take a flight then he needs to be upfront. A fear of flying is absolutely crippling, it ruled my life for years and the anxiety that takes over you is difficult to explain. It's impossible to be rational when you're in the grips of it.

If you can't imagine a life with no air travel together then that's ok too

JigglyTuff · 10/07/2017 14:18

I wouldn't want to spend the rest of my life with someone who wouldn't get on a plane. Travel is really important to me and it's really not unreasonable for it to be a really important factor for the OP.

The only thing that's unreasonable is the fiance pretending he doesn't have a massive phobia about it.

specialsubject · 10/07/2017 14:23

He's not unreasonable to be afraid, and you are not unreasonable to want to go places. The problem is the incompatibility.

This wants discussing and sorting well before any wedding.

Wawawaa · 10/07/2017 14:23

Thanks for all of your answers! So it looks like I might be being tad unreasonable! For what it's worth, as soon as it was clear why he didn't want to go to Nice, I did't make a fuss about it and started looking at UK alternatives. I don't want to break up over this, although I won't deny that I'm a bit annoyed... He has said before that he will tackle it at some point, so I suppose I need to accept that. The only thing is thought, that with him, everything is "at some point" which usually means in some theoretical landscape which may never happen.

I suppose with the fact that he has downplayed it, I've assumed that me going out of my way to use up my annual leave (which I did't get very much of in my previous role) on cramped, expensive, long train journeys is as much stepping out of my comfort zone as him getting on a short flight. But yes, I agree that maybe it's not really the same thing if we're talking about an actual phobia (that's never been mentioned but I guess I need to recognise it as such).

Hmm, ok, point taken. So a bit more patience on my part and will look into some therapies down the line when he is ready.

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Turquoisesea · 10/07/2017 14:25

My DH had a massive fear of flying and the first few years we were together he did fly short haul but was terrified & spent one entire flight with his fingers in his ears and his eyes closed but he did it. Once we had DS & DD we didn't fly anywhere when they were little & as they got older we went via the Eurotunnel to France a few times. He also had to go to Europe a couple of times with work but always got the train but took much longer as he was petrified to fly. We didn't fly for nearly 10 years but then a couple of years ago, he read a fear of flying book out next door neighbour gave him & it was like a switch flicked in his brain & he will now fly again (only in Europe) and although he doesn't love it he will do it. Before I met him I had lived & worked abroad & done a lot of travelling. It really depends whether it's a deal breaker for you. I suppose with my DH he didn't actually not fly till after we got married, but now seems to have overcome his fear. It wouldn't have stopped me marrying him though but I think you need to have an honest conversation with your DP if it is a deal breaker for you.

Wawawaa · 10/07/2017 14:27

That sounds promising Turquoisesea. Can you remember the name of the book?

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JessieMcJessie · 10/07/2017 14:31

Unfortunately it sounds like his flying phobia is directly at odds with what you want from your partnership. You're unlikely to change him for 2 reasons: 1. Phobias are irrational and 2. He clearly isn't as interested as you are in travelling and adventure if the thought of not doing it is not sufficient motivation for him to seek help.

I wonder if my analogous story might help. For 5 years I was with a fantastic guy who was in many ways my soul mate except for one thing: he was a strict vegetarian and I love meat, fish and shellfish. If we ate out our choices were always limited to places with vegetarian options and he was always wanting to try 100% vegetarian places, whereas I never got to enjoy lovely steak or seafood restaurants or plan delicious barbecue meat meals with him etc. When we travelled outside the UK it was very restrictive and he would not go to SE Asia at all as he felt that it was too difficult to ensure the food was completely vegetarian.

At the time I thought this was a compromise I could happily live with. He broke up with me and many years later I am married to a fellow meat eater. Every time we sit in a restaurant enjoying oysters and steak tartare or plan our next tasty roast dinner I realise how important it was to me to have this shared experience and how I suppressed it when I was with my ex.
Don't go ahead and stay with someone who will make you make compromises unless you are absolutely sure you can accept the effect it will have on your plans and dreams. From what you say so far it sounds like you're not sure.

Roomster101 · 10/07/2017 14:34

He has obviously got quite a severe phobia. Even if you force him to fly now it won't mean that he will suddenly be cured and will fly in the future. Afterall, who would want to go on holiday if they were worrying about getting home all the time they were there. I certainly wouldn't.
If think you need to accept that if you get married you can only go to places via train or boat. It seems fairly trivial to me in the grand scheme of things but if it is a deal breaker to you I think you need to face up to reality. You partner is not for you.

tiggytape · 10/07/2017 14:36

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WhatToDoAboutThis2017 · 10/07/2017 14:38

YANBU. His anxiety is holding you back from doing what you want to do. He needs to do something about it and fix it.

(I say this as someone who had a very severe anxiety disorder for many years that I managed to recover from, so I do understand his position.)

HipsterHunter · 10/07/2017 14:39

Oh wow you both need to sit down and have a good honest conversation about how big a deal this is to both of you.

He is U to not have portrayed it as the serious phobia it obviously is for him!

OwlOfBrown · 10/07/2017 14:39

FWIW, my DH (of 20 years) and I usually holiday separately. Well, actually, I holiday, he stays at home. He doesn't much enjoy holidays, especially not of the camping and outdoor variety which I adore, so it suits us well. I did a lot of camping, exploring and worldwide travel on my own when I was younger so I just carried on in the same vein.
If you don't like going alone, find a friend who shares the same love of travel as you do. Having separate holidays really doesn't make for a "non-relationship" any more than one partner having an all-encompassing hobby that the other does not share.

Tigerlovingall · 10/07/2017 14:40

There are fear of flying courses, google them to find out the nearest to you, all the info is there,inc.prices.
All the best.best.

MrsTerryPratchett · 10/07/2017 14:45

He has been on a course about it before but didn't get on the flight at the end. I think you're going to have to resign yourself to him not flying. That sounds like a proper phobia.

I used to be very scared of flying. When I met DH he lived 5000 miles away from me so I had to fly, and alone. I took Valium, developed strategies and did it. I also love travelling so avoiding travel isn't an option for me. But it sounds like his phobia is bad and travelling isn't that important to him.

PaintingOwls · 10/07/2017 14:47

He has said before that he will tackle it at some point

My DP has been saying he will get round to quitting smoking and vaping at some point for the last 7 years Smile

What bothers me is he lied and entrapped you. You're now in love, engaged and soon to be married, he's got you where he wants you and that's why he downplayed his phobia. Can you imagine getting divorced 5-10 years down the line and being painted as an absolutely unsupportive cow divorcing him over something so "small" because you "knew" he didn't like flying.

OP if you are happy to fly and travel on your own then marry him. You can't guarantee that he will ever address this. Phobias tend to get worse with age. We are most fearless when we are young and become more conservative and risk-averse as we age.

frieda909 · 10/07/2017 14:49

I'm glad to see that you've taken the above on board and that you're changing the way you think about this. Before I got to your update I was going to say that YANBU to question whether you want to live like this, but YABVU to feel that he 'owes' you something that he is so cripplingly afraid of.

Phobias are really, really horrible and difficult to understand if you don't suffer from them yourself, and can often come across as people just being difficult or not trying hard enough. I think that if someone feels pressured to just 'get over it' then that can make the phobia even worse.

I have a very extreme phobia (not of flying) myself, and I've become SO much better since meeting a supportive partner who works with me to try to deal with it. Previously I had always been made to feel like I was just being ridiculous and that no one understood how bad I felt about it, which just made the fear so much worse.

Maybe instead of focusing on the flight itself you could talk (in a calm, non-pressurising manner) about all the things you look forward to doing together some day and tell him that you'd love to support him however you can if he ever feels ready to try again.

PuppyMonkey · 10/07/2017 14:50

To put it into perspective, for someone with a fear of flying, saying "just do the course to cure you" for me would be the same as saying:

  • just put your head in that crocodile's mouth.
  • just jump off that really high building.
  • just walk into that oncoming traffic
  • just shag my lovely friend Adolf Hitler.

It will not even compute in my brain. Grin

notfromstepford · 10/07/2017 14:51

DH hates flying and it's got worse as he's got older. He'd happily never set foot on a plane again.

But he knows I don't mind flying at all and it's kind of necessary to go see my family in Portugal for a long weekend. So he gets prescribed Diazepam to calm him down on the flight.

3 hours is the longest flight he'll take now, but that's fine with me I was happy to compromise. I think the thing was we found a middle ground that we can both live with.

I'd love to visit Australia / NZ but he can't do it and I wouldn't expect him to, so I am happy to not go if you see what I mean.

My neighbors go on holiday separately - she flies off all over the place with her friends, he's happy to stay at home. So it doesn't have to be a deal breaker - you just need to both be able to compromise.

DotForShort · 10/07/2017 14:53

As PPs have said, it certainly sounds as though he has a severe phobia. It also sounds as though he is not at all ready to tackle it at the moment. Perhaps he will never be ready. He doesn't owe you a flight. But it's up to you to decide whether you can live with someone who may never be able to fly.

SwimmingInLemonade · 10/07/2017 14:53

I think you have to assume he will never fly, and work out your future from that. Is it a dealbreaker for your marriage? I agree he was slightly U to downplay it so much, and also to keep you hanging on with the "I'll sort out my serious phobia one day" line. But it sounds like you're already beginning to seriously resent it, as you wrote that he "owes you" three times in your OP...

Hope you can sit down and have an honest chat that leaves you both witha clear plan for the future.

Isetan · 10/07/2017 14:55

To put it simply, he's scared of flying and doesn't sound like he wants to overcome his fear, which puts the ball firmly in your court. Are you really willing to forgo sharing your travel adventures or limiting them, in order to accommodate his fears? I don't thinks so, given the language you use in your post about him 'owing you a flight'. He doesn't owe you a flight but he does owe you honesty and you both know he's been far from honest about this.

This goes far deeper than his fear of flying because there's a clear dynamic here, where he's been at best misleading and at worst, downright lying about the extent of his fear and you, despite evidence to the contrary, have been more than willing to accept his untruths. You have plans to get married, is this really a dynamic of which to build a marriage, let alone a relationship on?

It's time to have an honest conversation with him and with yourself at to what type of a relationship you want because if openness and honesty is what you want from your relationship, then you both have work to do.

Turquoisesea · 10/07/2017 14:58

I will ask him tonight when he's home from work & let you know. I had previously bought him hypnosis CDs etc that he didn't listen to. He really was petrified but now he will fly, I don't really know what changed apart from he said reading the book made it all make sense. The neighbour conquered his fear of flying too so could be worth a try!

RainbowPastel · 10/07/2017 14:58

He owes you nothing. All the money in the world wouldn't get me on a plane. If he is frightened then you shouldn't expect him to do it.

BarbarianMum · 10/07/2017 15:00

Does he bullshit. He owes the OP the truth - if he's never going to fly he needs to say so.