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He's scared of flying: AIBU to want my DP to fly before we get married

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Wawawaa · 10/07/2017 13:32

Sorry, long post... My DP developed a fear of flying about 10 years ago and hasn't flown for that amount of time. We've been together for about three years and he's always portrayed this as something quite mild and that he's not opposed to flying but that he just prefers to travel by train/boat etc.

I like to think of myself as quite an adventurous person who has lived in other places and although I don't go on many holidays I like to explore new places.

To date in our relationship, we've only been on holiday to places that we could go to by train which has limited our choice and made trips a bit more draining and also shorter than they could have been (like 12 hour train journeys to places in France, effectively cutting two days off the holiday).

We are planning on getting married in September and I feel as though he owes me a flight before we get married. AIBU?

I've suggested a holiday flying to Nice in France and although at first he said yes, he then said no because "it's too expensive" (I managed plan it down to £250 for five days including flights and airbnb). He is now suggesting somewhere in the UK but is insisting on hotels which will cost a lot more... and has since admitted that he just doesn't want to fly and that "now is just not a good time" for him to fly.

I'm worried we'll have an odd kind of marriage like a couple I know where one is scared to fly and the other does lots of interesting things all by himself. It's almost a kind of non-relationship imo.

My DP has never painted his fear of flying as such a major thing so AIBU to feel that he now owes me a flight (so to speak) on our next break? (If I'd had known at the start of the relationship that he would potentially never ever fly anywhere, I might have considered not dating him, although that's now not an option).

On another note, he tells people casually at work and in job interviews where flying is required, that he doesn't like flying and so is of course discounted from getting these roles. He seems to think it's quite a normal thing, not to like flying - I don't love it myself but I still fly. Is this an odd thing to admit to and to actually be so afraid that your fear of flying outweighs your curiosity about the world, interest in other cultures, opportunity for interesting new jobs etc? Or am I just being very non-understanding?

He has told me that his ex was very annoyed about him not flying, so was probably one things that contributed to their break up... He has been on a course about it before but didn't get on the flight at the end. He's not keen on doing another course or hypnosis as "it'll be another thing on his to do list".

In my mind I'd like us to be the type of people to trek through the mountains in some far flung place with a baby in a sling (yes, probably unrealistic anyway but I like the thought). AIBU to feel that he sort of owes me a bit of effort and to step out of his comfort zone (as I have done, using up half my annual leave on cramped train journeys) before we say "I do"?

OP posts:
Isetan · 10/07/2017 15:02

Don't make the same mistake that many (including myself) have made and by treating this as an 'if it wasn't for this tiny thing we would be perfect for each other' isolated incident. When in fact, both of your behaviours for dealing with this issue have probably been repeated in other areas of your relationship.

WhatALoadOfOldBollocks · 10/07/2017 15:06

In my mind I'd like us to be the type of people to trek through the mountains in some far flung place with a baby in a sling (yes, probably unrealistic anyway but I like the thought)

Is that a dream of his too, and does he know that's the sort of life you'd want?

I agree with you that him saying he'll deal with it "at some point" is too vague and noncommital; that would concern me too. I think you need to have a serious chat about how bad his fear of flying is, whether he honestly wants to work on it (or whether he just says it to keep you sweet), and how you see it negatively affecting your relationship.

WhatToDoAboutThis2017 · 10/07/2017 15:07

RainbowPastel If your phobia affects other people, you have a duty to do something about it.

It's exceptionally selfish not to.

LizLemonparty · 10/07/2017 15:07

I developed a fear of flying. Did the course (run by BA at the time). Didn't feel able to get on the plane at the end of the course and the instructors didn't give a shit because I'd already paid my money.

A couple of years after the course, I flew to Paris and since then I've flown every year - sometimes long haul. Just telling you this as there could be hope for him - the fear of flying course course isn't suitable for everyone.

motherinferior · 10/07/2017 15:08

But you don't need to travel with him. You can marry him and still travel on your own or with someone else. Why is it such a deal-breaker? If you want a relationship with him and to live together and have kids you can do all that. And travel separately.

WhatToDoAboutThis2017 · 10/07/2017 15:12

But you don't need to travel with him. You can marry him and still travel on your own or with someone else.

What kind of a marriage is it if you can't explore the world with the person you love? Such exciting experiences need to be shared, and if one partner is missing out, both parties will end up resentful.

annandale · 10/07/2017 15:14

Agree with all the other posters. He certainly doesn't owe you a flight but in a relationship he does owe you honesty, both to himself and to you. However, so you owe him that too.

You have to assume that he will never get on a plane. You have to know in your heart that that is not because he wants to limit your life.

Assuming that he never will fly, either you have to give up flying, go solo or find someone else to go with. How do you both feel about those options?

Two years ahead. You've got a small baby who's a bad sleeper. You desperately need a break in the sun but only have a few days. You feel unable to go alone with a baby, your mum isn't free to come too, you can't go. Ok with you?

Ten years' time. You get an amazing job offer overseas. It's a long way by road, easy shorthaul flight. Dh's parents are getting older and he doesn't want to go where he can't get back easily. Ok by you?

What you must do is let go of the idea that breaking up is not an option. That you're too nice a person to resent someone for significantly limiting your life. Marriage is for good and your human weaknesses get found out.

RainbowPastel · 10/07/2017 15:14

WhatToDoAboutThis2017 how on earth is it exceptionally selfish to not want to do something you are terrified of?

I wouldn't expect someone to live with rays or spiders if they were frightened or to go up a high building if they were scared of heights.

Luckily my DH is a decent human being and he doesn't mind not flying.

RainbowPastel · 10/07/2017 15:15

Rats not rays.

BarbarianMum · 10/07/2017 15:18
WhatToDoAboutThis2017 · 10/07/2017 15:18

RainbowPastel It restricts what you can do together, and to not sort that is selfish. If he doesn't mind then that's fair enough, but I do believe it is inherently selfish to try not to fix something which can massively improve your lives.

Mollie85 · 10/07/2017 15:20

I have a fear of flying. It used to be a phobia, but I can now call it a fear. I live in the Channel Islands. To get to the UK is either spend £80 for a 45 min flight into London or spend hundreds on a slow ferry to Weymouth... whilst I hate it, I've had to learn to do it.

I took an online course and also a hypnotherapy course. Whilst I don't or ever will love or embrace it, I am planning a trip to America next year ...

I feel for your fiancée as it's an incredibly real phobia/fear. I also feel for you because you clearly don't want to be confined to driving holidays in Europe.

I think it's important to note that nobody is right or wrong here, it's whether a compromise can be made and what constitutes a deal breaker for you both.

No advice, but I hope it all works out.

happypoobum · 10/07/2017 15:22

The main issue for me would not be his fear of flying, but his complete refusal to address it. It makes me think he isn't really marriage material as if there are difficulties he won't want to go to counselling or actually do anything to improve himself or his relationship.

I wouldn't marry him, no, but for me travel is my number two priority in life after my DC.

If you really love him and cannot bear the idea of splitting then I think you have to face the fact that you will be holidaying separately. However, it is is very important that he also accepts this and doesn't try to browbeat you into shitty camping holidays when you would rather be somewhere exotic.

I suspect he will tell you whatever he thinks you want to hear though and then just do whatever he wants. Seems to have worked pretty well for him so far.

selfishcrab · 10/07/2017 15:24

I too have a massive fear of flying and didn't for about 10 years. The fear is overwhelming and don't underestimate how much someone will hide it or play it down!
I do fly (loads, longhaul plus europe) but if I could get there any other way I would.
I take meds, use ear plugs and have noise cancelling headphones but I still spend hours in absolute fear.

SlothMama · 10/07/2017 15:24

I think you need to be completely clear with him now and try get him on a plane. My Dad has never and will never get on a plane, my Mum didn't know about this until after they married. 29 years later she is desperate to travel further than Europe, but he just won't get on the plane!

fufulina · 10/07/2017 15:27

I think you need to assume he won't ever fly. And decide if you can live with that.

You then aren't going into the marriage with expectations of him resolving a very bad fear. He may very well think that he will resolve it 'in time', but don't take that at face value because you are setting yourself up for enormous resentment if/when he never gets around to dealing with it.

And I with PP - it is totally reasonable to not want to marry a man who doesn't want to fly when travel is such a massive part of your life.

Also - be aware that he is could pass on this phobia to any kids you have. Which is what happened to a friend of mine. So now all family holidays are UK or chunnel/train.

Funclesmuck · 10/07/2017 15:38

I used to have a crippling fear of flying, which got worse once I had children. But for the sake of my DH & DC I did everything in my power to overcome it. Which is a good job because now we live abroad and I fly regularly for my job. So actually I think he's being unreasonable. He's underplayed his phobia, and only committed to doing something about it in the future, and doesn't want "another thing on his plate" this sounds to me like he's got no interest in trying to overcome it. What happens if in the future you or him get an amazing opportunity to work abroad? Would he refuse to contemplate it? And how would you feel about that?

Roomster101 · 10/07/2017 15:40

The main issue for me would not be his fear of flying, but his complete refusal to address it.

He has tried to address it though as he has been on a course. The fact that he wasn't successful doesn't mean he didn't try.

Lemonnaise · 10/07/2017 15:48

*RainbowPastel If your phobia affects other people, you have a duty to do something about it.

It's exceptionally selfish not to*

Don't be so ridiculous. You can't just tell someone with a phobia to "get over it". Honest to god, some people on here.

WhatToDoAboutThis2017 · 10/07/2017 15:52

Don't be so ridiculous. You can't just tell someone with a phobia to "get over it".

I'm not suggesting anything of the sort. Of course you can't just "get over it".

I am suggesting they work to do something about it.

You don't just have to live with it, you're not stuck with it; you can change it.

Lemonnaise · 10/07/2017 15:57

WhatToDoAboutThis2017

but I do believe it is inherently selfish to try not to fix something which can massively improve your lives

That is exactly what you're suggesting. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about. OPs DP did try and 'fix' it. It didn't work for him. This is not just a fear, he obviously has a severe phobia.

Goodasgold17 · 10/07/2017 15:57

Is it actually a fear of flying or a fear of crashing? Diazepam is his friend. It's a wonder drug to calm someone down

WhatToDoAboutThis2017 · 10/07/2017 16:02

That is exactly what you're suggesting. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about. OPs DP did try and 'fix' it. It didn't work for him. This is not just a fear, he obviously has a severe phobia.

I know exactly what I'm talking about. I recovered from a very severe anxiety disorder that I'd had for years.

Doing one course unsuccessfully many years ago does not mean that that's it, that's the end, he can't do it and he may as well give up.

If I'd had that attitude, I wouldn't have recovered. But I didn't and I have.

Nocabbageinmyeye · 10/07/2017 16:03

This would he a total deal breaker for me and I'd be pissed off he didn't say it earlier too. No way would I marry someone that meant I had to not travel because yes you could travel alone but odds are it would years of holidays they want, resentment, arguments, no thanks

Lemonnaise · 10/07/2017 16:05

I recovered from a very severe anxiety disorder that I'd had for years

Not the same as a severe flying phobia