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He's scared of flying: AIBU to want my DP to fly before we get married

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Wawawaa · 10/07/2017 13:32

Sorry, long post... My DP developed a fear of flying about 10 years ago and hasn't flown for that amount of time. We've been together for about three years and he's always portrayed this as something quite mild and that he's not opposed to flying but that he just prefers to travel by train/boat etc.

I like to think of myself as quite an adventurous person who has lived in other places and although I don't go on many holidays I like to explore new places.

To date in our relationship, we've only been on holiday to places that we could go to by train which has limited our choice and made trips a bit more draining and also shorter than they could have been (like 12 hour train journeys to places in France, effectively cutting two days off the holiday).

We are planning on getting married in September and I feel as though he owes me a flight before we get married. AIBU?

I've suggested a holiday flying to Nice in France and although at first he said yes, he then said no because "it's too expensive" (I managed plan it down to £250 for five days including flights and airbnb). He is now suggesting somewhere in the UK but is insisting on hotels which will cost a lot more... and has since admitted that he just doesn't want to fly and that "now is just not a good time" for him to fly.

I'm worried we'll have an odd kind of marriage like a couple I know where one is scared to fly and the other does lots of interesting things all by himself. It's almost a kind of non-relationship imo.

My DP has never painted his fear of flying as such a major thing so AIBU to feel that he now owes me a flight (so to speak) on our next break? (If I'd had known at the start of the relationship that he would potentially never ever fly anywhere, I might have considered not dating him, although that's now not an option).

On another note, he tells people casually at work and in job interviews where flying is required, that he doesn't like flying and so is of course discounted from getting these roles. He seems to think it's quite a normal thing, not to like flying - I don't love it myself but I still fly. Is this an odd thing to admit to and to actually be so afraid that your fear of flying outweighs your curiosity about the world, interest in other cultures, opportunity for interesting new jobs etc? Or am I just being very non-understanding?

He has told me that his ex was very annoyed about him not flying, so was probably one things that contributed to their break up... He has been on a course about it before but didn't get on the flight at the end. He's not keen on doing another course or hypnosis as "it'll be another thing on his to do list".

In my mind I'd like us to be the type of people to trek through the mountains in some far flung place with a baby in a sling (yes, probably unrealistic anyway but I like the thought). AIBU to feel that he sort of owes me a bit of effort and to step out of his comfort zone (as I have done, using up half my annual leave on cramped train journeys) before we say "I do"?

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WhatToDoAboutThis2017 · 10/07/2017 16:07

Not the same as a severe flying phobia

And the difference is?

happypoobum · 10/07/2017 16:14

Roomster

I don't think going half heartedly on one FOF course,where he refused to fully participate really cuts it.

My DB had a dreadful FOF phobia. No amount of valium could touch it.

He had a series of hypnotherapy sessions and now just has a top up before a flight. Can go to US, anywhere.

From what OP has said, her DP thinks he doesn't have to put himself out. That's not the attitude I would look for in a husband.

Lemonnaise · 10/07/2017 16:14

And the difference is?

Anxiety and Phobia are two different conditions between which we can identify some differences. Anxiety is the feeling of apprehension and worry, which becomes a disorder when it disrupts the daily routine of the individual. On the other hand, phobia is an excessive fear of certain objects and situations. This is the main difference between anxiety and phobia.

pinkhorse · 10/07/2017 16:16

My mum is scared of flying. She used to fly then for some reason suddenly became too scared.
My poor dad has to accept that they'll never go on holiday abroad again ever. He's had a stressful time lately and would love a holiday more than anything.
The whole family feels so sorry for him.
My mum hasn't even tried to get over her phobia.

LTBiscuit · 10/07/2017 16:17

Placemarking for the name of the book! I will fly but hate it. Diazepam barely touches it Sad

WhatToDoAboutThis2017 · 10/07/2017 16:18

Anxiety and Phobia are two different conditions between which we can identify some differences. Anxiety is the feeling of apprehension and worry, which becomes a disorder when it disrupts the daily routine of the individual. On the other hand, phobia is an excessive fear of certain objects and situations. This is the main difference between anxiety and phobia.

Okay. Well I had Social Phobia. I was too scared to go outside for many years due to certain social situations. I couldn't answer the phone or the door.

Trust me, I get it. Everything I said stands.

hiccupgirl · 10/07/2017 16:20

I think you seriously need to think about whether it's a good idea marrying a person when you have little empathy for a phobia that is not rational and likely outside of their control. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it isn't real for him or that he can just get over it.

InvisableLobstee · 10/07/2017 16:23

Some people can get over a phobia. I got over my childhood phobia of dogs. However it's not guaranteed he will be able to. What if he tries hard but can't do it?

Lemonnaise · 10/07/2017 16:23

WhatToDoAboutThis2017

It's not a competition. If you don't have a phobic fear of flying then you don't 'get it', otherwise you wouldn't say the sufferer was selfish.

WhatToDoAboutThis2017 · 10/07/2017 16:28

What if he tries hard but can't do it?

Then at least she'll know he's tried his best.

Lemonnaise To refuse to do anything about a problem that is affecting your family IS selfish.

Roomster101 · 10/07/2017 16:29

I don't think going half heartedly on one FOF course,where he refused to fully participate really cuts it.

How do you know he refused to participate? Maybe he was unable to fly at the end because he was still too petrified. i.e. the course didn't work. That's probably the real reason he won't try again.

happypoobum · 10/07/2017 16:30

pink why can't your dad go on holiday with friends/family/you?

Roomster101 · 10/07/2017 16:32

Even if it gets to the point where he is not totally petrified I think someone with a real phobia is unlikely to get to the stage where they are relaxed enough about flying that it wouldn't spoil their holiday. I wouldn't want to go on holiday if it meant I spent the whole time worrying about the flight back.

WeAllHaveWings · 10/07/2017 16:34

I had a senior work colleagues who was responsible for a large area of Europe and regularly flew to meetings several times a month. One day they we in the departure lounge and suddenly just couldn't get on a plane, they have no idea why, they were fine one minute then the next shaking, cold sweat pouring down their face and they just couldn't.

They are one of the most confident, tenacious, resilient, ambitious and thoughtful people I know, no other issues with anxiety or stress, just one day they couldn't do it.

They did all the courses, medication, meditation, hypnosis, herbal remedies, basically everything but just couldn't do it. After a year they took a side step to a local role. Think it was around 4 years before they managed to over come it. No idea how as we'd both moved departments since then.

It's unlikely you can help your fiancé overcome this, holding hands won't be enough and although you can give him ideas you need to wait until he's in the right place to try them.

Lemonnaise · 10/07/2017 16:35

WhatToDoAboutThis2017

But he did try. He went on a course but was too scared to get on the flight at the end. OP has every right to end the relationship if this is a deal breaker for her, understandable, but if his phobia is too great, he's not selfish, he's bloody terrified.

nokidshere · 10/07/2017 16:40

I insisted that my dh fly to Spain with me in 1988 despite the fact that he was clearly terrified (he had flown previously) it ruined the holiday! He was sick for weeks beforehand and spent the whole holiday stressing about flying home.

He said he would 'sort it' but sadly has never managed to, so we holiday in places that can be reached by other means - car, train, boat etc

If I want to fly somewhere I go alone or with friends/family. You need to decide if it's going to have a negative impact on your life if he never manages it - because a large proportion of people never do.

WhatToDoAboutThis2017 · 10/07/2017 16:43

But he did try. He went on a course but was too scared to get on the flight at the end.

One unsuccessful course many years ago does not mean you can forever brand yourself as having tried and that's that; can't be cured.

Nope; it doesn't work like that.

I know what it's like to be utterly petrified. I also know how strong you need to be to overcome it. It's hard, of course it is, but it's possible with effort and work.

You need to be willing to put the effort in or you'll stay in the same place forever. If you're single, fair enough, but when it affects your family, that makes you selfish.

Emily7708 · 10/07/2017 16:49

What happened ten years ago to bring on this phobia? Had he flown much before that?

CaptainMarvelDanvers · 10/07/2017 16:52

WhatToDoAboutThis2017

I used to have agoraphobia for 7 years, I'm now a lot better and I have a job.

I am not arrogant enough to think that if I can do it, than everyone else can. What works for one person doesn't work for others.

The OP needs to make a decision on whether she can accept that her partner may never get on a plane. If not then she needs to break up with him.

Lemonnaise · 10/07/2017 16:53

WhatToDoAboutThis2017

No, it's selfish to make someone with a severe phobia do something they don't want to do.

nokidshere · 10/07/2017 16:58

You need to be willing to put the effort in or you'll stay in the same place forever. If you're single, fair enough, but when it affects your family, that makes you selfish

It's only selfish if your fear impacts on the rest of the family which is why they need to discuss it properly before getting married.

WhatToDoAboutThis2017 · 10/07/2017 17:02

I am not arrogant enough to think that if I can do it, than everyone else can.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying he needs to try, because it is affecting his family.

No, it's selfish to make someone with a severe phobia do something they don't want to do.

So when I couldn't go outside, it was selfish to make me because I didn't want to? No, it was in my best interests.

It's not his fault he's got a phobia, but it isn't something he's stuck with. That's all I'm saying.

pinkhorse · 10/07/2017 17:02

Happypoobum he won't go without mum. He said he'd feel too guilty leaving her on her own.

Benby · 10/07/2017 17:02

I could have wrote your post only I'm now nearly 9 years down the line after the wedding and my dh still won't fly. He has flown lots of times before the last time being 13 years ago.
He can't tell me what exactly his fear is or why he has flown before but won't now he also flew with a previous fiancee which rational or not really really annoys me 😠
So now we have 4 children aged from 7 down to 4 months. My mam is always available to baby sit but he won't go anywhere. I had a big birthday this year and still wouldn't do it.
So my oldest 2 girls will be 13 and 12 in 5 years and we're going to new York and that's what I have to look forward too. But I have also told him that I won't go on anymore boat, train or driving holidays with him until he gets on a plane with me because I have done things his way for long enough.
If I was you I would think long and hard about this because it might not seem that big a deal but 8 or 9 years down the line it might be

TheRattleBag · 10/07/2017 17:10

You said that this problem developed about 10 years ago. Was there something in particular that triggered it? Did he have a bad flight experience that spooked him?

If he didn't have a problem before then, understanding why it started might help to work out how to approach things.