Charlie gard case thread 2

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The last thread is full, Not sure if another has been started.

Theres a CA rally at GOSH planned for tomorrow. What are these people on?

@Nanasueathome that was mentioned in this statement that was realised about the plaster being initially denied entry to see Charlie

Breaking news: Great Ormond Street Hospital denies clergy visit to Charlie Gard!

Charlie's parents Connie and Chris invited Rev. Patrick Mahoney, pastor of Church on the Hill and Director of the Christian Defense Coalition in Washington DC, to pray for Charlie as part of a team that came to London from America. But this afternoon, Rev. Mahoney was told by hospital officials that he was not permitted to go into Charlie's room to pray at the 11-month-old child's bedside.

Reverend Patrick Mahoney says:

"It is an outrage that Great Ormond Steet Hospital has denied a pastor from praying for Charlie Gard and offering spiritual help to his family. I was invited by Charlie's parents Connie and Chris to come from America to pray for Charlie, and it is stunning that I was denied from doing this. In forty years of pastoral ministry, I have never once been denied the right to pray over a patient in a hospital. This continues to show Great Ormond Street Hospital's disregard for the wishes of Charlie's parents. First the hospital denies care, and now they deny prayer."

Charlie's mother Connie Yates says:

"I am heartbroken that after we invited Rev. Mahoney to come to England and pray for our son Charlie, Great Ormond Street Hospital has turned him away. Once again, the hospital doesn't care about Chris and my wishes."

Attorney Catherine Glenn Foster, President & CEO of Americans United for Life, says:

"It is completely unprecedented that Great Ormond Street Hospital, hired to care for Charlie Gard, is not only trying to deny him care, but now also is denying him prayer. This is what happens when we lose track of who we are as a society, and institute laws that promote death rather than life."

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The word thunderclap is used to announce "important news". They are actually going to be gathering outside GOSH

Oh fuck, are they really going to do that?

*pastor

I don't know what to say or write anymore. But will read other's thoughts.

What kind of idiot thinks a rally outside a childrens hospital is a good idea? It is ridiculous.

We don't know the parents' religious/political beliefs or affiliations, of course.

But I do think getting into bed with Rabid, ultra right-wing, American pro-lifers is a big mistake.

This 'pastor' and his Christian Defense Coalition are using poor Charlie for their own ends - to get rid of 'Obamacare'. Anyone with half a grain of sense can see this.

I do worry that this entire circus will end with Charlie being made a Ward of Court and police having to drag the parents out of the ITU as they become increasingly disruptive.

I can't imagine he would be well enough to go home on a permanent basis.

Medical evidence in the first court hearing was that no treatment could reverse the brain damage that's already happened. I can't imagine that's changed, so I don't know what they're hoping for.

It's just such a desperate situation that's spiralling out of control and yes I am not surprised to hear that some CA folk pointing the finger elsewhere re forced adoptions. Much like when EDL members shout about 'Asian grooming gangs' when they themselves have convictions of child abuse.

My absolute sympathy goes out to the staff now. I hope some of that large fund is for a fuck tonne of chocolate biscuits and good coffee.

The strain on them must be horrific.

The parents need to put their child first, and not pander to these nutters. GOSH should just put their foot down. Stop the attacks or we stop treating dear Charlie, and you can take him home, get your own equipment and take your chances.
GOSH is skint and doesn't need this. It means other children are dying because Charlie and the whole circus is taking valuable and finite resource.

Music I agree. But surely Charlie's future should be one of the main considerations here. They're going to such extreme lengths to keep Charlie alive and access this treatment it seems bizarre not to consider what his long term future could be. Although perhaps they are in so much denial that they genuinely believe he will totally recover and become NT.

As an aside this Pastor, the way he is using this situation to boost his profile and a lot of what he stands for are completely vile. GOSH probably had very valid reasons for not letting him in, like he turned up outside visiting hours or something. Not that the army would listen to reason!

Just going to copy and paste what I posted on the last thread as I posted right at the end of it.

"I do wonder just how much more awful this is making an already awful situation for other parents of children in that very same unit.

It is very easy to jump on a bandwagon and be all "keep fighting, he can get better" from behind a keyboard when you have absolutely no emotional attachment other than whatever you have managed to summon up to feel part of something.

That little boy is getting forgotten in amongst all the posturing about how great people are for "fighting" and how much they "love" him and all the self congratulation. All the while they seem to not understand or realise that every second, that baby is suffering. And it is only being prolonged. That very same child a bunch of keyboard warriors profess to love and be fighting for. What are they fighting for?

Do we want ruddy paediatric healthcare to be reduced to "your child, your rules" because that is what they seem to be fighting for. It seems less about Charlie and more about their own fear they do not have total control over their children. And I say that about the Charlie's Army lot.

I cannot even begin to understand the hell that Charlies parents are going through and I can see how they feel the need to fight and fight for their boy. But the way it has played out has been awful, for the staff at GOSH and for every other parent in that same unit, hospital, or who has been through the same thing. It is just an awfully sad situation all around really. And I do really worry for Connie and Chris once this is all over. They seem surrounded by this "army" but when the battle is done, who is going to be there for them and help them come to terms with what was going to always happen."

Sorry for the crass point I'm about to bring up.

I've seen it bandied about on social media that gofundme have a duty to refund the donations made as some people feel "duped and misguided" into making a donation as Charlie's true condition wasn't made known. Surely not? Surely there's some sort of ethics about this? Shouldn't it be for the parents to donate to a charity of their choice/ set their own up?

I can't imagine anyone actually coming forward for a charitable refund!

I feel for both GOSH and Charlie's parents, but more so for poor Charlie who seems lost amongst the madness. I hope he's oblivious.

My thoughts are with GOSH and the staff looking after him.
They are real heroes, working and staying professional under these very difficult circumstances.

denying hm care? thats rich theyre the ones keeping him alive

It seems to me that the only people who have his best interests at heart is GOS.
I've shook my head at the entire thing.
People cling on to a tragedy/crisis/situation and make it about themself's (charlies army). It happens all the time. People have to get involved at their so self important. It's so they can say they were part of it.
What people need to do it back the fuck off and let that poor boy die with dignity. The whole thing is a circus. Charlie and the staff at GOS are the only people I have sympathy for.

They should let this poor baby die in peace with some dignity. He is never going to get better.

It should be illegal the press constantly stirring things up. wheres there part to blame in this?

i wouldnt coco but if theyv misrepresnted their cause i undrstand why some people will feel duped

ffs, why not some jugglers and the cast of Matilda while we're at it? Stuff the fact this child is receiving ICU care and that other families and desperately ill children are trying to use the unit they're busily disrupting. I hope the police rapidly disperse any gathering outside the hospital, it's appallingly irresponsible. GOSH's patience with all this is exceptional.

The 'Charlie's Law' that should come from this, is one preventing the exploitation of desperately ill young children via published and social media, however unintentionally or however distressing the adults' situation may be. Sympathy for the parents' situation is repeatedly starting to step over the line of basic safeguarding.

I've refrained from commenting before as I cannot imagine what Charlie's parents are going through and I think until you are in that situation you don't know how you would react. However....saw Connie on TV a few days ago and she was saying there is every chance that he can be a normal little boy (with treatment). She didn't come across as a desperate parent clutching at straws, more someone completely in denial about how gravely ill her son is. The way she is going on about Charlie being well and responsive and GOSH not wanting to give him care made me lose a lot of sympathy for her. That sounds completely heartless I am aware, but it seems that the CA campaign is fuelling their fire and she is enjoying the limelight.

Holy cow. I hadn't seen the Charlie's army fb page, so I just went and took a look. All the rage about the pastor not being let in with not one sensible thought that it might not have been visiting hours, or not non-family visiting hours, that it may have been inconvenient due to another child's treatment or condition on the ward, that it was an inconvenient time due to Charlie receiving treatment.. nothing. Just stupid, blind rage.

One poster hoped Donald trump would visit Charlie. Because that's exactly what any hospital for very sick child needs. A massive security risk.

'Hired to care for'
Is that how it works in America? The parents employ a hospital so can hire and fire?

I thought here a patient was referred to a hospital suitable for them?

Despite 4 court cases none of the CA material even seems to acknowledge that British law puts the patient ahead of family members.

I think GMB should never have run that interview yesterday but maybe it precipitated movement as it's clear that the child's parents absolutely do not agree that his current quality of life is unacceptable, despite what their views were said to be in April.

How can that pastor live with himself? If God needed him to pray at the bedside in order to heal the baby, God would be weak and manipulative. He's a politician getting publicity pictures with a terminally ill and nonconsenting child. Oh lovely.

@MusicForTheJiltedGeneration there's going to be guest speakers, prayer and the handing in of a petition of support for Charlie, they hope Connie and Chris will be joining them

^^ completely agree with you MissHavisham