To wonder if social services are involved?

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I'll probably get flamed for this but finding the whole situation desperately sad for the child(ren?) involved. Who does this and in the full glare of the media too, I'm getting that they are two damaged individuals but come on, this is awful if true!

www.google.co.uk/amp/metro.co.uk/2017/07/05/jeremy-mcconnell-confirms-stephanie-davis-pregnancy-and-truth-behind-horrific-hotel-fight-6756942/amp/

WillRikersExtraNipple (fantastic username btw) I understand what you're saying, I really do. And I agree that pregnancy-policing or body-policing are terrible things and we need to not encourage the idea that women's bodies are public property or that being pregnant turns you into a walking gestation chamber with no bodily autonomy. Society exerts so much ownership of women's bodies already, and that leads to so much damage (and imo is a contributing factor to rape culture). There are so many threads on MN about being judged and lectured for things like exercising or eating cheese while pregnant. Awful.

But... we do not live in a world where people can do literally anything they want and it's "no one's business." We have laws, and pregnant or not you have to obey the law. No one is suggesting pregnant women be subjected to anything more than non-pregnant people, namely: don't do anything illegal or widely accepted as anti-social. We don't need to lock pregnant women up on the off chance they'll start abusing substances and commit violent crimes, any more than we need to lock them up to make sure they don't rob a bank.

Being drunk and disorderly is against the law. ABH is a serious criminal offense. IF drugs are involved, that is also illegal (there are plenty of people serving prison time simply for possession. I don't agree with that, but it is the law: if it bothers you join the fight for decriminalization or lobby for substance abusers to be ordered to therapeutic care rather than prison time). It's not unheard of for (non-pregnant) people to get arrested or sentenced to prison or Sectioned due to substance abuse. The government can issue DBOs (Drinking Banning Orders; now replaced by CBOs) essentially banning certain individuals from drinking alcohol.

This woman has committed criminal offenses. If she was not pregnant, she would perhaps be facing criminal charges right now. Would it be better for the authorities to ignore her pregnancy and simply lock her up? She should not get a pass for being pregnant.

I wonder if a non-pregnant sleb was getting in the tabloids all the time for being wasted, violent and generally an abusive trainwreck, if posters would be lining up to defend her right to do absolutely anything (legal and illegal) she wants?

I admit to only knowing who either of these people are from trashy tabloid articles & interviews on This Morning.

I couldn't quite believe they were doing the whole paternity debate so publicly at the time (wasn't it revealed live on This Morning after JM spent months denying he was Caben's father?) I just kept hoping that young Caben never Googles himself or his parents when he grows up! Which of course he will.

I also hope that SD is charged as appropriate for the attack (and JM too if he also attacked her). DV is no less DV because the victim is male.

I have every confidence that SS are at least "known" to this pair. Hopefully there is a calmer adult (grandma maybe) playing a major part in the baby's life at the moment.

All this SS stuff you are talking about is what happens the the foetus when it is born, not before. You are actually agreeing with me!

Talking to you is painful actually.

Social services carry out pre birth assessments from 24 weeks. That involves child protection conferences and unborn (yes, unborn) babies going on child protection plans. There is a lot of work that goes on before the baby is born. Court statements are prepared, investigations with other agencies, chronologies, referrals, all take place before the baby is born. All of this is under the children act which absolutely does apply to unborn babies.
So you're wrong, and you're wilfully ignoring what people are telling you. It's really weird.

Why hasn't she been arrested for assault? Does being a Z-list "star" grant you immunity?

I think some people are getting mixed up !A mother has no legal responsibilty to, not harm the foetus. But that does not meam that Ss will not take an interest before the birth .

Why hasn't she been arrested for assault? Does being a Z-list "star" grant you immunity

She Has been Aressted and now bailed.

User 590 there is a law protecting unborns it is called child destruction

Pathetic fucking drama llamas, the pair of them.

Scum of society.

I think they are both drama lamas however if she is pregnant and he went for her would you protect yourself by any force necessary? Both pictures of them are appalling but it would take some pretty major force for a girl of that size to cause those injuries it sounds like she was protecting herself and her unborn child and did what she could. The fact of the matter is their relationship is toxic and has turned violent that ss need to be involved especially as they get back together all the time.

protecting her unborn child

really typical exscuse for her disgusting behaviour

was she protecting her unborn chid while heavy drinking and smoking

as somebody said you dont get a pass for being pregnant

i hope she is charged an no doubt will be rushed to hospital again due to looking for the sympathy vote,this is becoming a pattern

i often wander what her parents say about this,they are about and cant imagine them being happy about all this drama

seasidesallyYes her behaviour is shocking the whole relationship is shocking but if your pregnant and your dp comes at you physically you do everything in your power to protect yourself and your child.

if your pregnant and your dp comes at you physically you do everything in your power to protect yourself and your child.

I don't know what happened in that hotel room, but I do think the injuries she claims to have don't match with the photos she posted. And a lot of the bruising on her arms could be caused by the police having to restrain her.

Thank god for the SS professionals on this thread. I was shaking my head so furiously i was giving myself a headache.

But... we do not live in a world where people can do literally anything they want and it's "no one's business." We have laws, and pregnant or not you have to obey the law

There are no laws against drinking in pregnancy.
Though I can see that many on here would like there to be.

Will I'm starting to think you're just a goady fucker to be honest otherwise your refusal to read what people write or engage with any of the factual information shared would just be pure stupidity

Some mothers have their babies removed at birth so yes of course social services can get involved before the child is born.

To be honest, at the risk of being accused of being called a goady fucker, what will is saying makes perfect sense to me.

You can not do anything to stop a woman drinking during pregnancy. When the baby is born, you can remove it.

The mother still drank. The eventual removal of the baby wasn't a way of stopping her.

The destruction of the foetus doesn't protect the foetus against mothers drinking or drugging during pregnancy.

Indeed. It's quite easy to understand, isn't it? But apparently stating a very simple truth makes one a "goady fucker".

Happy to be one, if the definition is "makes obvious points about womens bodies only belonging to themselves".

I hope so, they need to be!!

Total scumbags, selfish scumbags the pair of them.

That poor kid. And that poor unborn baby!! Smoking, drinking and she's got broken ribs too!! Just unbelievable

Its a toxic relationship and obviously they both have different stories but he been previously arrested for assaulting her it was in the papers pictures of him in court. His story also doesnt match onlookers as people are saying where both drunk he said had 2/3 drinks and left. It totally unacceptable what she did but i think they both should have been arrested if he attacked her aswell. Hopefully they are now split for good and can get help to be the best parents for their little boy. I thought it looked like she was doing a good job before they got back together and all this drama started. Though of course thats just what you see on social media. I think she has a nice family around her and her mum has tweeted a few things about abusive relationships.

Just to say that the pub in question they were thrown out of NEVER throws anyone out. Live very close by and it's very lively.

I agree with you Will (brilliant username by the way!) and I completely get what you are trying to say. I don't think you have been goady in the slightest.

Oh my word
Do you people not understand the distinction between forcing a pregnant woman to do something and being involved and intervening with a pregnant woman and unborn child on the basis of likely harm when the baby is born?

Nobody can force a pregnant woman to engage in help. But social services can, and do, and are legally mandated to, get involved during pregnancy. Sheesh

Thanks ThymeLord! I'm pretty sure these other people actually agree with us if only they had paid attention to what was actually said and not to their own sense of self importance and outrage.

I have seen pictures of her in the paper with her arm above her head...

Would you really be able to lift your arm that high with 5 broken ribs?