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To want a daughter so very much

471 replies

seaotterly · 30/06/2017 16:14

I have a DS, who is 18 months.

I am desperate for a girl.

It is putting me off TTC another as I would feel so awful as secretly I don't want another son.

I know im being unreasonable

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AndTakeYourHorseWithYou · 01/07/2017 20:58

You protest too much. You knew how bad it sounded, the shite you came out with earlier.

BengalGal · 01/07/2017 21:08

I thought I only wanted girls and wouldn't know what to do with a boy. I got two girls and then a boy. But when my son was born l loved him as much and he was more Baby than boy, so for a while there was no difference. But over time it was clear he was the easiest. The girls are definitely more work, more moody, more critical of me. The boy was and is more mellow, less drama, more cuddles until he turned 11. Now he doesn't want cuddles ever! He's probably my favorite, as much as I try to not to have a favorite.

I think you shouldn't worry too much. Your feelings are natural and when the baby comes you will love him or her regardless.

MsMommie · 01/07/2017 21:26

I couldn't care less how bad it sounded.

AndTakeYourHorseWithYou · 01/07/2017 21:29

Sure/ Hmm

Chattymummyhere · 01/07/2017 21:37

I was gutted when I found out my first was a boy after a day I got over it. His lovely and I wouldn't change him. Got pregnant again and was over the moon to find out it was a girl.

My DD has so far always been much easier than my son sure she has her issues too but overall she's a much easier going child.

Dh wanted dc 3. I put it off for years as I did not at all want another boy, I can't explain why as I love my son and wouldn't change him but I wanted another daughter. I did have dc 3 and it was a girl but I'm sure I would of got over it if she had of been a he. However I know some large family's think 5/6 of one gender and once the other appears the dh is down for the snip sharpish.

PlayingSardines · 01/07/2017 21:43

MsMommie, babies have a biological sex. They have a penis or a vagina (in all but various rare intersex conditions). They don't yet have a gender. The two concepts are not the same. A four month old baby, unless it's parents dress it in a tutu with a giant hair bow, or an I'M A BOY tshirt, doesn't look like one sex or the other.

My point is that you have a really aggressive and odd preference for one gender over another for reasons you don't seem able to communicate, and that it doesn't appear to occur to you that there's a relationship between your fairly odd ideas and the fact that you have 'stereotypical' boys and girls.

lifeisazebracrossing · 01/07/2017 21:48

Interesting posts on here. My mum also expressed how I wasn't what she expected: looked like my dad, totally opposite personality and not 'friends' like she expected. She used to tell me that things haven't been the same since I turned on her after my brother was born and she used to be jealous of the perception she held about me preferring other people's mothers (some truth). We clashed a LOT during my teenage years. However, we get on loads better now and she is a fantastic mother to me (as an adult) and the best grandmother to my DD.

What I'm trying to say is that I agree that relationships have expectations linked to gender (for some) but they also EVOLVE. Oh, and my brother holidays several times a year with my mum but I avoid it!

NotYoda · 02/07/2017 08:40

life

You "turned on her after your brother was born"?

So normal upset at the birth of a sibling turned into something that she felt was directed at her and rather than supporting you with what was probably your childish feelings of rejection, she felt rejected?

I identify with what you say about the relationship being better since children. My mum has also been the most supportive mum to me as an adult, and to my children. I wonder if it's because the experience of being a parent is one they can share and identify with

Mummyoflittledragon · 02/07/2017 08:46

Barbarianmum. My dd (almost 9) dances and plays rugby. Dh took her to football first and she didn't like it much. I think it's important to let a child explore lots of activities and have a range of toys from dolls to diggers. I dressed her up as a little doll when she was a baby, being my one and only, I knew I wouldn't get a second chance. But she decides as much as she can for herself, unlike her female cousin, who was finally allowed to play football at 14/15 through our influence and seeing what we do with dd.

Mummyoflittledragon · 02/07/2017 08:49

life. It sounds like your parents / mother didn't prepare you well enough for the birth. Then blamed you for not being the child she wanted. It's nice you've managed to find a good adult relationship with your mother. Sadly my mother is too damaged to allow herself to see me as her equal.

seaotterly · 02/07/2017 09:44

I am grateful for your replies. It has been an interesting thread.

Firstly, for those leaping on those who have expressed similar worries about raising only boys and saying it won't help me, to be honest it helped me more to read than the insistence that boys are just the same, no difference, nothing to see here thank you.

For those worried about my DS - it's fine. I love him. Of course I do. That's largely the problem!

He is 18 months and he enjoys Thomas the Tank Engine, animals, ice cream and cuddles.

When he's five he will probably enjoy some random superhero thing, ice cream, books and cuddles.

When he's fifteen I don't know what he'll enjoy but that's as true as a girl and hopefully he'll still enjoy ice cream and cuddles.

It's when he's twenty five, thirty five, that the relationship is severed a little. I don't see that as a bad thing. In fact it's normal and natural. Hard to explain really.

So some people are adamant that their kids aren't their friends. I think my parents had that attitude some of the time, it wasn't really a barrel of laughs to be honest. Obviously, sometimes you have to discipline them, confiscate their phones and so on ... but (especially as they get older) I really hope my son and any other children I may have know I've got their back and they can tell me things and I will try to help. And also, when they are adults, do you say "Right! Well, I'm no longer your parent in the active sense of the word, obviously you're not my FRIEND, so tootle off, as I've got my friends and you've got yours!"

Some - most - of my friends are friends with their mums, and sisters.

I am the daughter of a daughter/son combination. I was actually always closer to my dad growing up as my mother was not very stable. One minute she'd be cuddling me and telling me I was beautiful and lovely and how much she loved me, the next she'd be screaming in my face saying she was ashamed of me and that someone else's daughter was cleverer/prettier/more talented. I never felt comfortable with her and she could be very verbally cruel which scared me when I was little, then upset me, and finally turned into contempt.

Then she died. I was sad for her. I was sad she hadn't had a happier and longer life. But I felt no sense of personal loss or grief, no sense of anything really. I think on some level, very deep down i think, I was relieved. Things had been so volatile, she'd been drinking so heavily, screaming insults at me, humiliating me - she knew a number of teachers at the school I went to as she worked there herself and she used to pass on staffroom "gossip" but she'd twist it so it sounded about me personally. There was a trend for girls to wear heavy knitted cardigans under their blazers and she told me a teacher I liked and admired had said I looked like the Incredible Hulk. It turned out she hadn't said that at all. My mum herself had said something about all the girls looking like the hulk and this teacher had made "hmm yeah" noises. That sort of cruelty.

So that's an example but you can maybe see what I had to live with. And this was daily. I had always loved my dad and i think i thought a life with him, a peaceful life with me the devoted daughter comforting my bereaved and heartbroken dad (I was only 16 and prone to romanticism) and him devoted to his only daughter.

I was wrong. He was not the man I thought he was. It was weird as I realised for all my mum's instability, for all the cruelty I had from her, she was still the glue in the family. As when she went everything fell apart. Dad had moved another woman in before the earth settled on my mum's grave, she was initially pleasant enough but once she got her feet under the table forced me to move out (my birthday is in October so as soon as I turned 18 I got 'time to move out!') comments, even though I was still at school.

Ultimately I ended up having very little to do with my dad, he's only met DS once (although he is devoted to my stepbrother's children) I don't even feel angry any more. I realise now it's just what men do, what they are like, and that's FINE. I've put safeguarding in place so my share in the house is left to DS not DH as I know if I died DH would remarry and probably stop loving DS and any other children we had.

I guess I've read too many stories like mine to think it's just my dad.

So in short, I don't trust men, but loving someone is accepting who they are and also who they are not. I don't want DS to have to embrace feminine qualities. I just want a daughter too.

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NotYoda · 02/07/2017 09:53

Have you ever had any psychotherapeutic help?

seaotterly · 02/07/2017 09:54

I have tried four counsellors. I'm afraid I wasn't impressed.

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PlayingSardines · 02/07/2017 09:55

Sea, I'm sorry you had such a hard time. That was an appalling thing to endure. However, you're making enormous leaps from the specifics of your own family circumstances to generalisations about 'what men are like'. Which again, is understandable, but you can't let your experience of your parents, however traumatising, colour your views about all men and women. The fact that you think that if you died your husband would stop loving your child suggests something very warped with your thinking. Hmm Empathy and sensitivity or whatever it is you are defining as 'feminine qualities' aren't gendered. Model the qualities you want to see in your child -- of either sex. If you bring him up thinking that men are fickle, unempathic and unloving, what do you think the results will be?

Mummyoflittledragon · 02/07/2017 09:58

I do agree. It took me years to find the right therapist.

sashh · 02/07/2017 09:59

I don't want DS to have to embrace feminine qualities. I just want a daughter too.

I have no idea what that means, but I suspect I wouldn't like the explanation.

waves to people up the thread, I'm another one who isn't the daughter my mother wanted.

PlayingSardines · 02/07/2017 10:01

Neither am I the daughter my mother wanted. Plus I have two sisters, and neither of them are either!

seaotterly · 02/07/2017 10:01

I'm not making leaps about the specifics of my own family at all.

Spend just fifteen minutes researching

how many lone male parents there are
how many men remarry within twelve months of their wife's death
how many men are amazing stepfathers but shite fathers to their own, non resident children

This is not just something bad that happened to my family.

This is something embedded within society but we don't like it so we refuse to see it. It's stupid really but I understand it.

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seaotterly · 02/07/2017 10:02

I can feel myself getting annoyed again as once more people are insisting I want a certain type of daughter when what I want is a daughter.

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PlayingSardines · 02/07/2017 10:09

You do want a certain type of daughter, because you've decided men are unloving, fickle an unempathic, and that these 'good' qualities are 'feminine' ones. What if your daughter is extremely academic and career-focused, not particularly family-focused or interested in maintaining an adult relationship with you, chooses not to marry or have children and moves to the other side of the world? Or if she lurches from one bad relationship to another, continually introducing yet another new daddy-figure to her bewildered children? Or if she leaves her family for another men, leaving the children with their father because he's a SAHP, and she thinks it will be more stable, and drifts out of their lives?

Phalenopsisgirl · 02/07/2017 10:12

Boys can be lovely, I have the absolute best relationship with my ds, he is very loving and empathetic, held my hand whilst I was in labour with his little sister, always helps me out with reaching the bits I can't when I fake tan, I can't imagine anything that I will do with dd when she gets older that I couldn't do with him, other than wedding dress shopping! As others have said a dd might not be what you imagine at all and your ds may surprise you, if it's just the pretty stuff you like, you can buy the pretty dresses but you can't make them wear them as many a mum has found out.

Phalenopsisgirl · 02/07/2017 10:15

The only downside of having your son do your fake tan is the "mum, can you do me ?" Messi has a lot to answer for !

NotYoda · 02/07/2017 10:17

Thank you for coming back and talking about your background

I can see how it has led you to have the beliefs you have

But can you see what a huge disservice you are currently in danger of doing to your son - in assuming things about him on the basis of his sex

And also the disservice you'd be doing to a daughter in hoping she'd help you create the experience you never had?

Where is your son's father in this?

I wonder why this is coming up now? Is it some sort of anniversary

I recommend you seek out a psyhotherapist, not a counsellor

seaotterly · 02/07/2017 10:20

Same difference really Yoda

What do you mean "where is my son's father"? :)

Sardines ... sigh ... then I would have a daughter who was career focused and academic.

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NotYoda · 02/07/2017 10:21

And yes, you do want a certain kind of daughter. You want your daughter to be the child you in the life you want to create, and you want yourself to be the mother you never had. That's a pretty specific daughter right there.

In the meantime, you have a son you can't fully trust to be intimate with.

That actually makes me "annoyed"

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