To ask - Jeremy Corbyn - PM

[MommaGee]

There's stuff about how he thinks he'll be PM in 6 months. How the GLASTO coverage is a BBC plot to "see a MARXIST in power" etc etc but how?
TM is hardly going to call another election and Labor are likely to keep her long enough to get through the crap that is Brexit.

Apologies for all those thinking in thick but I don't see how JC has any even inkling of getting it, let alone a discussion on how much swing he'd need

I have looked over my remarks and I have never said or even implied common ground couldn't be found.

And yet you posted this:
"And please don't try to pretend I want the same thing as brexiteers- I really don't."

In response to this:
"See I can see things differently to you; it doesn't mean we both don't want the same things."

As I said:
"I'm a Brexiter. This is not the sole facet of my ideology though"

It really would help if people didn't insist on viewing other people in such binary terms tbh.

No, I want it quite clear over the next shitty years as the economy collapses, as the Nhs crumbles, as my family lose their jobs and as we lose our freedom of movement, you chose this. I didn't.

No, I want it quite clear over the next shitty years as the economy collapses, as the Nhs crumbles, as my family lose their jobs and as we lose our freedom of movement, you chose this. I didn't.

Well when the economy grows, the NHS is resourced, employment is booming & people are still able to live & work throughout the world, it will matter not one bit who 'chose' it.

Watching him jumping around as though he won the lottery on election night was ridiculous. he exceeded very low expectations, still lost, and was beaten by the most unpopular prime Minister in living memory. thats the reality.

I am fed up with brexiteers doing this 'oh we all think the same'.

I don't know if it's trying to deflect responsibility from their decision or a failure to understand how deep emotions about brexit run, but no we don't agree about brexit - that's why we voted differently.

If I thought the same as Farage, Davis, Johnson and Rees mogg, then, like you, I would have voted the leave campaign.

Brexit will -already is- fucking up this country- you say you don't want that, but you voted for it - that's not my fault.

Well when the economy grows, the NHS is resourced, employment is booming & people are still able to live & work throughout the world, it will matter not one bit who 'chose' it

The uncertainty itself is dangerous. And uncertainty surrounding Brexit will continue for quite a while.

And he had the chance to undo some of the damage of Brexit but what a surprise he didn't take that opportunity.

Brexit is a complete mess.

I honestly think there should be another referendum, as people genuinely believed they were voting to put extra money into the NHS etc.

It also became obvious immediately that there was no plan for Brexit.

There is precedent for close referendums to be re-run, which seems to be what should happen here. Because of the closeness of the vote, because narratives and issues have changed considerably over the last year and because people didn't really know what they were voting for.

I want what Faith is on!

Meanwhile in the real world the one with experts....it ain't going like that is it. And I will help any EU national resist being registered or removed. There will be many like me

Yeah, because a vote for Brexit was a vote for all those things.
Yes it was!
If you voted Brexit on the basis of your previous statement, you are a tad misguided. A vote for Brexit was none of those things.

But what was a vote for Brexit for?

Genuine question.

There's an EU ref board with threads going riiiiight back to last June.

If you are genuinely asking why people voted to leave the EU, then trawl through those threads - lots of different reasons.

You really are not listening, are you? We don't want the same things:

I don't want to stop freedom of movement.
I don't want the 3 million Europeans in UK/and the 2 million Brits overseas to go home/feel insecure/unwelcome.
I don't want "to stop the Muslims" coming in.
I don't want "Brexit means Brexit".
I don't want more border control.
I don't want Universities/farming/care/service sector to be decimated.
I don't want peace in Ireland to be compromised
I don't want no deal is better than a bad deal.
I don't want financial services to up and leave.
I don't want Gibraltar's position compromised.
I don't want negotiations done by people like David Davis who have no fecking idea.
I don't want to leave Euratom
I don't want to not be under the ECHR
I don't want a UK independence day.
I don't want "get control back"
I don't want to "make Britain great" again.
I don't want to revert to lbs and ounces
I don't care about bananas.
I don't want to 'kick' the elites.
I don't want Farage's racist-populism to win
I don't want my country to move politically to the right.

If I had wanted all or even any of that, I would have voted Leave. What is it you are not understanding here?

Excellent list histinyhandsarefrozen

Can I add:
I don't want the European Medicines Agency and the European Banking Agency to leave London

I'm glad that you find me so hilarious, but the profile of Brexit has changed much over the last year.

There is much less talk about immigration, and much more about public services and the economic consequences of leaving Europe.

A year ago, did you think that the UK would be in this position now? Do you think it's a hopeful one for the future?

What was a vote for Brexit for?

Sigh.

The narrow frame of thinking among some remainers wrt Leave voters is at best frustrating, at worst offensive - but I think it's actually deliberately provocative tbh.

Have handily ticked the things that I also want out of your list.
Fwiw I find it offensive as well as tedious that as a leaver I am continually attributed with being anti-foreigner/racist.

*You really are not listening, are you? We don't want the same things:

I don't want to stop freedom of movement.*

✔️I don't want the 3 million Europeans in UK/and the 2 million Brits overseas to go home/feel insecure/unwelcome.

✔️I don't want "to stop the Muslims" coming in.
I don't want "Brexit means Brexit".

I don't want more border control.

✔️I don't want Universities/farming/care/service sector to be decimated.

✔️I don't want peace in Ireland to be compromised

I don't want no deal is better than a bad deal.

✔️I don't want financial services to up and leave.

✔️I don't want Gibraltar's position compromised.

I don't want negotiations done by people like David Davis who have no fecking idea.

I don't want to leave Euratom

I don't want to not be under the ECHR

I don't want a UK independence day.

I don't want "get control back"

I don't want to "make Britain great" again.

✔️I don't want to revert to lbs and ounces

✔️I don't care about bananas.

✔️I don't want to 'kick' the elites.

✔️I don't want Farage's racist-populism to win

✔️I don't want my country to move politically to the right.

Current Tory economics are awful. Huge debt, and it is growing. Austerity strangling growth.

This gets worse and worse: apparently I have the same wants as someone who wants to "take back control" and "make Britain great again"!

Gah!

I don't know how you could have insulted me more, Garden geek.

And how do you know your views will be policy

Christ alibe8

I don't think you are "an intrinsically bad person." I don't know why you are making things up.

Your insistence that we want the same things is stupid and wrong, but clearly nothing I say is getting through.

At least you wanted this: I didn't - that must be so nice for you. Enjoy. I hope you get a warm glow when you survey the political and economic state of the country over the next few years.

Your insistence that we want the same things is stupid and wrong, but clearly nothing I say is getting through.

Except that's not what she or I were saying at all.

We don't want all of the same things, but neither do we all want none of the same things.

The insistence of shoehorning people into boxes based on your own prejudice & assumptions is what I take issue with.
(Your being general you, not specific you).

And repeatedly labelling people as stupid because they don't think exactly the same as you is reductive & offensive.

Faith you are spinning words and posts. It's actually making me dizzy