To ask - Jeremy Corbyn - PM

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There's stuff about how he thinks he'll be PM in 6 months. How the GLASTO coverage is a BBC plot to "see a MARXIST in power" etc etc but how?
TM is hardly going to call another election and Labor are likely to keep her long enough to get through the crap that is Brexit.

Apologies for all those thinking in thick but I don't see how JC has any even inkling of getting it, let alone a discussion on how much swing he'd need

pottered, what has happened to disability claimants during the last two terms of government has been much more than 'a lot of stress'. People have died days after being found 'fit for work', or taken their own lives because everything has been taken away from them.

The Labour manifesto was fully costed. Brexit negotiations make everything unstable at the moment, but history shows that investing in people and stimulating growth and creates jobs.

The official unemployment figures are laughable. People on zero hours contracts, whose benefits have been sanctioned, who have been forced onto incapacity then have that taken away from them, who can't access the system don't show up on them.

It's so difficult to access job centres and other services now. If you don't have photo ID, access to unlimited phone credit (most job centres have taken out their free to use phones) or a computer, you technically don't exist.

Also, there's little to be said for an economy that has people 'working' but not able to afford to put a roof over their head or food on the table. There are thousands of working poor people accessing food banks for example.

If work isn't a way out of poverty, then what on earth is it?

I don't think JC has a halo. I'm not a Corbynista by any stretch of the imagination.

But I do think that the vast majority of ordinary people need the investment and hope that the Labour party's manifesto offers.

Desperately.

I'm surprised that so few people object to Corbyn's support for the Chavez/Maduro government in Venezuela.
Protestors are tear gassed and shot at.
Dissenters are locked up
The are major food and medicine shortages.
That beautiful country is on its knees.

Does Corbyn really support that regime?

I've commented on this on Mumsnet before but I only got one answer which was 'what about Theresa May's support for Saudi Arabia?'

i don't think we're looking at the same history. History shows me that economic liberalism makes people on average, better off and more likely to be employed. Unemployment isn't a way out of poverty either - I don't accept most people would rather not have a job than receive tax credits or be on a zero hours contract.

The EU labour laws don't work for their people - 1 in 4 young people are unemployed. I'd not have 25% of our children sentenced to a jobless future? You want a fully qualified Spanish teacher as a nanny? Easy to find in these parts. Spending lots on education hasn't helped Spanish young people become employed.

I don't disagree with your statements about disability or benefits claiming, the system is uncaring and punishment style. It shouldn't be like that.

We need better labour policies, policies that correct market failures without destroying the market and firms in it. He needs better rhetoric - to stop talking about rich people creaming money off - it sounds like he hates working people and moderate voters.

Spending lots on education hasn't helped Spanish young people become employed.

Does Spain spend a lot on education?

I agree that most people would rather work than not, although people need to be properly paid for it.

And people who aren't able to work for a time or permanently should be entitled to an income which they can claim with dignity.

The bad news is that the UK has similar or higher figures of youth unemployment to those you quote for Spain in some parts. They may be invisible as on zero hours contracts, but they're there.

Neoliberalism isn't working here, I'm afraid

Over 95% of JC's expenses claims go on office costs. The rest on staffing this office.

Are his staff on workfare? Many MPs claim less, require travel and accommodation to/in London and also run a staffed office.

You're on a hiding to nothing going after Corbyn's expenses- don't waste your time!

The Labour manifesto may have been fully costed, but the costs weren't correct. Much of it was the same as the Tory manifesto, such as NHS funding, and nothing was done about poverty. The benefits cap and freeze would not have been lifted under Corbyn either.

look at this graphic - it is a shocking state of affairs that youth unemployment is so high in so much of the Eurozone. Pockets of higher unemployment within the UK need targeted investigation, but our overall youth unemployment rate is comparatively decent:

www.statista.com/statistics/266228/youth-unemployment-rate-in-eu-countries/

BertrandRussell - I personally don't care about his expenses. An MP needs an office and a PA/other people working for them. Corbyn's expenses are entirely normal and they are for things essential to an MP. What irritates me is the lie that he claims hardly anything.

no but JC would be buying back denationalized companies - wahoo. So much better than sorting out disability - er, not.

Debt skyrocketing.
Security being cut and cut.
Housing not safe.
Off the Brexit cliff edge. No plan.
No plans for anything.
Economy suffocating.

All these things could happen and have happened under Labour governments. Half the councils surveyed with unsafe housing are Labour councils. Why would Labour do it better?

You lost me when you said that the Labour Manifesto was pretty much the same as the Tory one.

I don't think we read the same documents.

and these slogans are exactly what I don't like about the current labour leadership - they are slogans, show us the reasoned research and data behind these slogans. Not videos of Corbyn supporters ranting about various things. I don't have a 'heart' problem with the labour manifesto, but i do have a 'head' problem with it - in that I don't believe his solutions work for the problems he's identifying.

they are slogans

The problem here is that Tories function completely on ideology. A sick and twisted Social Darwinism.

You can slap them in the face with facts all day long....they still believe their people are somehow of higher quality.

Thatch stated it plainly, said it out loud.....they are out to restructure society along those lines.

"they still believe their people are somehow of higher quality. "

Before the election I watched a FB political fight (before it was deleted).
It started by someone asking about the tens of thousands of deaths due to cuts, and the thoughts from some posters was that the country was better off without them, that if cuts are leading to deaths of people who are not actively contributing to society, then it wasn't a bad thing.
There was also the feeling of the quote above, and that somehow the cuts will only affect those who deserve them.
It made me wonder if these opinions are more mainstream, but for obvious reasons aren't voiced.
There is a noticeable increase I think of people who equate poor or disabled to scroungers, and there's a lack of outrage about the cuts and of the handling of PIP assessments and fit to work decisions.

I think that's what's so vile about what has happened to disability payments over the last two terms of government.

It's not an accident that people have to go through multiple, degrading assessments undertaken by people who have no knowledge of the conditions that they're assessing only to be told that they're not entitled to anything.

It's a practical manifesto of everything that the conservatives think about vulnerability, dependence and inability to be economically active for a time. Older people are treated better because they vote for them.

Until we get past this leave/remain, tory/labour, left/right, poor/rich, educated/stupid, selfish/righteous BS we will never move forward as a progressive society.

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Yes!

One of the main barriers to that is that the divisions between the rich and the poor are growing.

I do agree about the facility of name calling and sweeping generalisations though.

Corbyns expenses may be ok, but I can't help but wonder about the ethics of giving chakrabarti a seat in the h of l about two minutes after she gave him a clean bill of health on anti Semitism.
I'm sure that was all fine and I'm just too much of an evil thick Tory to understand

You voted brexit and Tory in the hope of achieving a more progressive society?

Good luck with that.