To ask - Jeremy Corbyn - PM

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There's stuff about how he thinks he'll be PM in 6 months. How the GLASTO coverage is a BBC plot to "see a MARXIST in power" etc etc but how?
TM is hardly going to call another election and Labor are likely to keep her long enough to get through the crap that is Brexit.

Apologies for all those thinking in thick but I don't see how JC has any even inkling of getting it, let alone a discussion on how much swing he'd need

My life isn't terrible under the Tories. I'd benefit from the policies in the Labour manifesto in terms of reinvestment in public services, but would pay more tax.

That would be fine by me. More than fine. People being able to live with a degree of dignity is one of the hallmarks of a civilised society, not some loony left pipe dream.

Everyone benefits from investment in services and people.

glad to hear someone is doing well under tory government and had a genuine reason to vote for them rather than just because they didn't like corbyn or the perceived sanctimony of some labour supporters.

I didn't vote Tory! My reply was to pottered's comments about Labour voters being selfish.

If wanting everyone to be able to live with dignity is selfish, then yes I am.

christina mine was for another previous poster, sorry

I agree about the delicate status quo and the need to navigate carefully through brexit etc to get the best outcome but I don't agree that tm/tories are the best bunch to get us through this.

So the Tories and the DUP have voted against lifting the public sector pay cap.

Remind me again why investing in public sector services is a bad idea.

Because Tory failure continues.

Debt skyrocketing.
Security being cut and cut.
Housing not safe.
Off the Brexit cliff edge. No plan.
No plans for anything.
Economy suffocating.

Reports say tens of thousands have died from Tory cuts to care.

Awful Tory Ideology. Awful deals with DUP.

I didn't vote on this awful DUP/Tory Coalition.

Nobody did.

Well if you're voting labour for other people and not because you'd personally benefit, then perhaps we can allow that people vote Tory because they believe Corbyn's policies will cause unemployment and not for selfish reasons either - I don't accept that voting labour makes you any more righteous than voting conservative.

I didn't vote Lib Dem to end up with a Labour coalition. I specifically did not want my vote to benefit Labour under Corbyn.

And the DUP money isn't going in their pockets is it? It's for schools, hospitals and public services. Isn't that what Corbyn fans want? More money for public services? Well there you go. Let's be honest - the problem with the DUP is that they didn't back Labour. But how could they, after Corbyn's behaviour re the peace process and the IRA? Because it really is true.

I don't accept that voting labour makes you any more righteous than voting conservative.

Well except for the deaths.

Reports show cuts to care have directly caused tens of thousands of excess deaths.

And of course the failure to keep the people safe.

It's for schools, hospitals and public services. Isn't that what Corbyn fans want? More money for public services? Well there you go.
It's not across the board though, is it, it's for a specific area.

I don't think I'm any more righteous than the next person. I do think paying me 62 quid a week for a 24 hour day, 7 day week is pretty low. I think that continual shifting of parameters for disability benefits is despicable, I think that cheering whilst voting down amendments for public service pay caps is disgusting. I think that doing a deal with the DUP, a party that is using The Handmaid's Tale as a manifesto is outrageous.

No, the money isn't across the board, the same as extra money for Wales or Scotland wouldn't be across the board either. Is the Barnett formula next on the attack list or, as the SNP may vote with Labour, is that fine?

Dawndonna - as a fellow carer, Labour may behave said they'd increase CA by a poxy £10 but it looks like the IS top-up would have been reduced by the same amount, so no difference. Also, Labour would have done the same deal with the DUP for power - they'd have had to - and have tried to do so in the past.

The thing is, allthepretty, stating that Labour would do this or have done in the past, is irrelevant, that's not what is happening. What is happening is the Tories have done a deal with the devil to hang on to power and it's anyone who isn't rich who will suffer. The votes they bought with DUP deal, the monies from the magic money tree would have gone a long way to changing things for those desperately in need.
As for last night's vote, beyond disgusting.

What are these deaths? Tens of thousands of deaths? Tens of thousands of deaths that wouldn't have occurred under any other government?

Makeourfuture, you might want to bear in mind that old people die. People don't routinely live beyond 100 at the moment. Old people who suffer from hypothermia are often those who are living in large properties they cannot heat because they are cash poor. And they are often Conservative voters, actually, who several posters on MN have gleefully observed will be dead soon.

And infant mortality (up to six years old) is increasing because of genetic problems. A quick google will state this and from a variety of sources.

As for last night's vote, beyond disgusting.

I disagree.
Jeremy Corbyn is not in govt, so for that reason, Jeremy Corbyn doesn't get to decide govt policy.

However, if the Tories don't address public sector pay in the next budget, then I would agree.

The problem is that the public sector is very large. Are all public sector workers deserving of a pay rise? Not everyone is a teacher/nurse. Many, many workers are pushing pens in council offices. I live near the council procurement office. I can see in their windows and there seems to be an awful lot of work expanding to fill the time going on (eg much mug washing at 4.15pm). What about senior civil servants/council employees? They already earn £££ and any pay rises would disproportionately benefit them.

I think they are all in need of a pay rise tbh - it's been frozen for all of them for a very long time now.
The whole nurse/police etc thing is just an emotive hook to get people riled up - the pen pushers have endured the pay freeze too.

I don't disagree though re work expansion to fill time - I've seen it first hand; civil service employees bemoaning how stretched/overworked they are when they're anything but.

Good point, LadyinCement. I remember my days working for the council and it was absolutely shambolic. The place was empty at 4pm and the bosses took 2 hour lunch breaks, coming back sozzled at least 3 times a week. Would they deserve a pay rise? Do the workers at K&C council deserve more money, considering the total lack of response to the Grenfell tragedy?

(I've never had a good experience with nurses either, whether myself or watching others - in fact, I've seen many as downright neglectful. Anecdotal maybe, but that's the way it is)

What are these deaths? Tens of thousands of deaths? Tens of thousands of deaths that wouldn't have occurred under any other government?

Thirty thousand excess deaths (that would not have occurred) attributed directly to cuts in care as reported by the Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine.

Bear in mind that this report was for the year 2015 alone. The total for Tory years is almost certainly much, much higher.

I can see in their windows and there seems to be an awful lot of work expanding to fill the time going on (eg much mug washing at 4.15pm)

This is the basis for your argument? Really? That people wash their mugs?

This while the current DUP/Tory Regime continues its economy suffocating, debt increasing, failed ideological austerity?