To not understand what Renee Zellweger has done?

[OwlinaTree]

Watching Bridgit Jones' Baby. I can't concentrate on the story line, she just looks like a different person. I thought she looked nice before this surgery.

I thought her face looked longer too and much thinner cheeks, I don't understand why you would do that.
Also, it was kind of overnight. She just looks like a different person. Really strange.

I think RZ looks like Robin Wright Penn now -

www.theplace2.ru/photos/Robin-Wright-Penn-md1846/pic-424541.html

She has sadly lost all the distinctive, quirky prettiness that made her RZ and she looks like a cardboard cut out RWP, indistinguishable from a multitude of well heeled 40 something American trophy wives [stereotype I know but that's what she reminds me of].

I think its a shame we can't accept that you can be beautiful and old at the same time. Ultimately its up to RZ what she does with her own body so yabu, a bit.

I should clarify, you can age naturally and be beautiful without surgery, it's society equating beauty with youth that needs to change, not our faces.

A few on here feeling that it is a woman's choice to have this done and we should all applaud that. Well no, I'm not going to celebrate the choice to have surgery that is primarily to try to make you look younger or more conventional.

We all age, it's part of life. We should be supporting women in the arts that are different ages, different sizes, doesn't ethnicities, as reflective of life, not supporting women's rights to mutilate themselves for a man's idea of what female beauty should be.

Should be different ethnicities, sorry.

I support a woman's right to do whatever she chooses to her body or face. It wasn't quite what I had in mind on those marches and I also query the word 'choose' but hey. I also don't like pointing the finger at individual women. I'm only human and sometimes I can't resist but I try not to because in that industry, the pressure must be unbearable.

But I object when people tell me we shouldn't even be talking about what's going on here. The beauty industry is making gazillions by preying on women's (and yes, increasingly men's) insecurities.

And I roll my crinkly eyes when they insist it's all down to yoga and grandma's cold cream. Yes it's your face, do what you like to it but please stop treating us like we're stupid.

She's a movie star, looks are a big part of what she sells. She's operating in a patriarchal world that values youth and beauty.

She cannot grow old. Yet she also, apparently, cannot use surgery to keep her competitive in her world. Like others have said, she's damned either way.

This handwringing and 'it's so sad' chat from other 40 something women on the internet just contributes to the problem. Our opinion is totally irrelevant. It probably only serves to make her feel bad.

It's the Hollywood execs who count. I bet they're mostly men. They're just focused on selling movies.

To change this would involve overturning highly ingrained cultural attitudes (youth is highly sought after when assessing female beauty) that have existed for millennia, for sound biological reasons.

RZ would be right to conclude that's beyond what she's capable if doing. In the meantime, she's just playing the game the best way she knows how. I say leave her to it.

For what it's worth, I thought she looked pretty good in BJB.

When she had the "work" done to her face, she looked unrecognisable. She had the most lovely face with particularly beautiful eyes due to her Sami heritage. After the procedure, she was just another clone. How sad.

Think it has softened slightly since then.

My 'hand wringing' isn't so much for movie stars, it's for our children and grandchildren and nieces and nephews and god children, who are growing up in this world. My niece is forever comparing herself to women like this and it does piss me off when they won't even admit that the only way to get a face or body like theirs is to spend a shitload on procedures.

I agree flo, all the personal trainers, stylists etc they use, it's just not attainable for the majority. Yet thanks to social media it's all in our faces 24/7.

I think RZ is the absolute epitome of a woman who is prepared to do anything for the job.

She was prepared to stack the weight on for BJ, now the (first denied hotly for months) surgery.

She will be one of those 70 year olds with a smooth forehead that's for sure.

She's not the first, she won't be the last, I don't feel handwringy or like I should applaud her "my body my choice" thing. I would have more respect for her if she told the truth about why she (and many others) do it. Because they want the roles.

It's why I love watching films like The Way We Were, which I rewatched the other day. Barbra Streisand is stunning in it. Because she can still move her face, and it's not a Hollywood 2017 face (or body)

There is a (long dead) Italian actress called Anna Magnani who for me is the most gorgeous actress ever. Massive nose, wonky teeth, but just exudes woman and that gawky beauty that was timeless, but will sadly be looked on as ugly in these days of churned out lookalikes.

The thing about RZ though is that she otherwise seems so unconcerned with fame and celebrity. She doesn't make that many films and she is all but absent from the public eye when not on the promo trail.

A lot of the language the anti ageing industry uses is insidious - e.g. less talk about looking 'younger', instead it's all about looking 'fresher' or 'rested'. I hang out on Style and Beauty far more than is good for me and there are lots of anxieties about looking 'angry'. While I agree there's more pressure on men too, I have yet to hear a man say he was worried about looking cross.

It surely can't be great for their long terms career anyway, if that's what they are doing it for. They might be expanding the period they can play being young people but after a while they don't actually look young any more but they don't look anything like people around their age so who are they supposed to be cast as, who can they convincingly play?

Well I think part of the problem - and this is why I don't like singling out individual women - is that most of them don't have a long term career in the movies anyway because the roles for older women aren't there. To quote Bette Midler (in, I think, The First Wives Club) it's still 'babe, district attorney and Driving Miss Daisy'. That's what I'd rather talk about.

I was watching a recent film with Diane Keaton in it last night, and it was interesting to see an attractive, mature woman looking her age (yes, she looks great for her age but she looks natural). Her co-star Michael Douglas, on the other hand, just looked odd, but I know he's had health problems so it's a bit unkind to say, I guess.

Totally agree with pp who mentioned Steve Martin. He had such an expressive face but now he looks like a waxwork dummy.

I saw Eamon Holmes on tv today and he looked very strange His face was very full but totally smooth Bizzare.

Vintage YY to Anna Magnani! She was beautiful. Her face is memorable in the fact it wasn't sculpted to order from a page in a surgeon's portfolio. She was just naturally striking.

Ok Bridge we all absolutely have seeing eyeballs

So do I. I have also taken enough photos to know how deceptive angles, lighting, etc. can be (plus, of course, the tendency of some magazines and newspapers to Photoshop images of celebrities). I have taken a photo of RZ from 2004 and used Photoshop to overlay a similar photo taken last year onto it, giving it enough transparency so that both images can be seen together. The eyes, eyebrows, nose, mouth, cheeks and hairline line up perfectly. The only apparent differences (apart from additional wrinkles) are that her earlobes are significantly larger in the 2016 photo and she has a bit more flesh around her jaw.

There are literally hundreds of posts on a thread dissecting and criticising celebrity women's looks and you wonder why they feel the pressure to have surgery.
I cannot IMAGINE what it would be like to know that every time I go out in public, MILLIONS of bitches are going to analyse every. single. aspect. of my being.

I cannot IMAGINE what it would be like to know that every time I go out in public, MILLIONS of bitches are going to analyse every. single. aspect. of my being.

I can't either, it's hard enough in the real world. Which is why I didn't ever want to be an actor. Renee Zellweger clearly did, which is why we all know her name. Your face is literally your fortune in that profession, so of course people are going to have an opinion.

The same way if your doctor all of a sudden decided to change their method of treating you, you'd remark on it.
A person who has gained recognition purely through their face is going to be remarked upon when they change it.

Yanbu. Well you are because it's her face not ours but imo she was so gorgeous and quirky before. But also beautiful in a non Hollywood real way - opposite of bland movie star.

The bit I don't get is did she not understand that was why she was very popular and was cast in these really great character?