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to think that you can't use bury and berry as homophones in Yorkshire?

158 replies

Hippee · 22/06/2017 23:42

DS2 came home with this in his spellings homework. I know we're in a naice part of Yorkshire, but nevertheless Wink

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tietie · 23/06/2017 23:33

They all rhyme with 4 for me.

Grilledaubergines · 23/06/2017 23:36

Lancashire here, they are not homophones to my ear. I never considered this before, so do southern accents pronounce bury with an 'e' sound?

Think it depends where in the south. I'm in Surrey/London borders and would say they're homophones here but I think further west possibly not.

BobbinThreadbare123 · 23/06/2017 23:39

They're homophones to a Scouser...both 'berry'

lougle · 23/06/2017 23:40

Hampshire here.

All homophones Grin
Bury/berry
Hear/here
Pear/pare/pair
Poor/poor/pore/paw
Stare/stair
For/four/fore
witch/which
There/their/they're

The list goes on! There really isn't any difference in how we say it, it's just the context which tells you which version we're using. I love my Dad's accent - despite having been down South since the '70s his Ayrshire accent prevails and you can really hear the difference between poor and pour, or where and wear, for example.

BroomstickOfLove · 23/06/2017 23:42

Bury/berry - homophones.

Psalm/Sam - not homophones (long and short a)

Pour/pore - homophones.

Pore/poor - not homophones.

N Ireland to N Yorks.

thenightsky · 23/06/2017 23:43

Poor - Paw
Pour - Pew-er.
Pore = Pawr
Paw - Paw

Hard to type out, but subtle differences.

(From Yorkshire Dales)

tietie · 23/06/2017 23:44

Haha I just pronounced them phonetically and I sounded northern Grin

BroomstickOfLove · 23/06/2017 23:45

And 'paw' and 'pore' are so far apart as to make the idea of them being homophones kind of ridiculous - like saying 'so' and 'soap' are homophones.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 23/06/2017 23:47

Paw and pore are the same when I say them Grin

tietie · 23/06/2017 23:48

Only to you Broomstick! They're the same word to me!

honeyroar · 24/06/2017 00:26

I don't live too far from Bury (Lancs/Yorks border) and it's pronounced Berry locally. It's just an idiom - there's a place locally called Slaithewaite and locals pronounce that Slaw-wit. Where I live is inbetween Manchester, Yorkshire and Lancashire - so gets a mixture of all three accents.

BroomstickOfLove · 24/06/2017 07:24

Not only to me, tietie. To anyone with a rhotic accent.

MumBod · 24/06/2017 07:39

Homophones for me, unless I'm talking about the place names, then I'd say Burry rather than Berry.

East Yorkshire born, live in North Yorkshire.

VeryButchyRestingFace · 24/06/2017 07:50

Only to you Broomstick! They're the same word to me!

Definitely not only to Broomstick.

I feel I actually need to hear someone pronounce "paw" and "poor" to understand how they could sound the same.

Is it poss to upload audio files to this site?

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 24/06/2017 07:59

en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/pore

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 24/06/2017 07:59

dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/paw

weebarra · 24/06/2017 08:01

No, tietie, and I asked DH last night, also Scottish but brought up about as far as you can get from me, and he agrees that psalm/Sam are homophones.
It's just a major difference in accent. See the loch/lock thread from earlier this month.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 24/06/2017 08:02

Can't see how Psalm and Sam are the same though!

PussCatTheGoldfish · 24/06/2017 08:03

Here in Bury St Edmunds I can tell you some of the older natives with broad Suffolk accents pronounce it Bairy. Grin

To me they're both Berry.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 24/06/2017 08:04

en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/psalm nothing like Sam Confused

SabineUndine · 24/06/2017 08:06

I'm from Yorkshire and bury and berry are different but it's raspbury and strawbury. In fact the way Julia Roberts says strawberry in Pretty Woman sounds weird to me.

utterchaos · 24/06/2017 08:22

VeryButchyRestingFace , check out DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen's first link.

The audio on that is how I say all four - paw, pour, pore and poor.

NullaG · 24/06/2017 08:38

Also from Bury. Lost a lot of my accent but still say bury, hurry, curry, lorry, slurry to sound the same. If I consciously try to change it to not sound so 'Bury' they become berry, herry, kerry, lerry, slerry and I sound ridiculous. My dad was from Bolton so maybe it's his influence.

2ndSopranos · 24/06/2017 08:48

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furryleopard · 24/06/2017 08:49

I live near Slaithwaite and it's not Slaw-it with the slaw as in coleslaw it's Slawit so sla-wit with a short a. If you're Huddersfield but not Slawit it's pronounced 'Sla' th-waite' but it's never 'Slay thwaite' never that one!

I'd rhyme Bury with berry too and not with curry which is a ugh sound. I would also say poor as poo-er and pour to rhyme with for. I can't even try and pronounce sam with psalm though. Love accents!

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