To complain about screaming teachers

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Since DD went to secondary school she has been complaining about teachers "screaming."

According to her, when a child gets in trouble they are screamed at.

At first I ignored this but it's really starting to unsettle DD.

WIBU to ask to speak to someone about it?

Kimchi - you post bothers me. You identify the teacher was under pressure; she sounds like she lost control and was on the brink with your sodding awful behaviour: you appear to show empathy. You sound a bit sorry for her. And then you call her a name.

Nice.

I've certainly heard it in assembly.

Perhaps you're all right and my DD is a lying little madam.

Ah. I see.

That's what you're after.

If what you described is genuinely happening (and I doubt that it is), then it needs to be reported to HT/governors/Ofsted.

I don't think you know what screaming means.

No one is saying she is lying. we are saying the use of the word 'screaming' is melodramatic hyperbole...

You don't feel sorry for the teacher who has been humiliated by a video clearly being passed around then??

As a teacher, I will not deny that some teachers 'lose it' and yell at kids.

Do they scream? I've never heard that- would be very odd and I suspect result in either fits of laughter or concerned silence from the class...

I lost my voice (completely) five times in my first year of teaching from trying to be heard over some of my more difficult classes. That's not happened since, as I've learnt to use my voice more effectively.

Do teachers raise their voices at pupils sometimes? Absolutely, usually only when necessary.

Do teachers call out instructions to groups of pupils entering, like 'coats off please!'? Absolutely. Whispering in each pupil's each is ludicrously impossible.

Would any sane teacher scream at a group of pupils calmly entering school? I cannot imagine anything more ridiculous.

Not convinced by the filming- if that did happen, my primary concerns would be that and how it was being shared around pupils and parents were aware without informing the school.

I love screaming all day. Not like I have any content to cover for my actual subject of course....

Was this a female teacher in assembly?

When women shout, people sometimes say they are 'screaming'. Shouting is seen as unfeminine and unbecoming.

My friend was told off (by SLT)for 'screaming' at some year 10s at break time. She shouted . Very loudly. they were being little shits.

Instead of stepping in to support with their quite authority and their helpful status, they tutted at her 'lack of control' and took her aside. her. Not the students.

fwiw , the 'screaming' worked. the little shits desisted.

OP you're repeatedly affirming it's "screaming" without very much elaboration, and you then drip feed witnessing it in a video.

What is it you want exactly? If there's video evidence of what you believe to be unacceptable behaviour, report it to the school, surely?

(Following on from that, if there really is a culture of yelling at kids in your school, then politely raise your concerns with the governors. That should never be the norm.)

Female teachers rarely scream unless they are very inexperienced
ANY teacher rarely screams. Screaming is a poor management techniques on any member of staff.

But most strong teachers I know have a bloody good shout voice for when it's needed. We just don't use it very often.

Equally, I'd have caution on students saying they are always screamed at. (And caution of what entails screaming).

There's a team of us in my school who are behaviour on call. We go into lessons if there are issues. That will require a firm reminder to the students involved of our expectations. Zero shouting. Controlling the situation can be anything from standing in the room to gesturing yo individals to leave, to quiet words with the inevitability of a consequence should poor choices be made. We do raise our voice if needed: a controlled firm tone at a slightly louder volume. Still amuses me how many times I've heard students say 'miss screamed at the class'. I did nothing of the sort.
It's just a louder voice and a more serious tone than I teach my lessons in. Most students behave beautifully so never see my telling off voice.

OP if you've heard it yourself, know there is video evidence, have the word of your child, why don't you submit all of this to the school?

love screaming all day. Not like I have any content to cover for my actual subject of course.... hmm

Rewrite SOW into 18 act Germanic opera.

2 birds, one stone.

I had a colleague who screamed at pupils for the slightest misdemeanour. It used to upset me, never mind the pupils! The pupils called her Shouty McShoutface behind her back. She had terrible problems with her voice and throat before she left.

I'm sometimes to be found screaming to myself in a cupboard, but at a class? Nope. Clear, assertive voice. As many teachers have said with many kids (prob not yours op) often using a firm assertive tone will result in a shouted chorus of " don't shout at me"

Oh come on, it's clear the OP doesn't mean a non-verbal exclamation when she says "scream," she means "raising their voices in a loud, shrill, unpleasant, out-of-control fashion."

IME few teachers scream at students. Those that do fall into two categories:

• those who can't cope and who probably won't be in the profession much longer

• those who have a naturally unpleasant high-pitched voice when it is raised and the students think they are screaming.

Yes, Balloon but 'scream' is the ridiculous word of choice of recalcitrant youth these days who have usually raised their own voices several decibels at the teacher to tell (usually her with this word choice) that she has no right to 'scream ' at them...

All rights. No responsibilities. Sigh.

Sadly, it's a pretty common reaction by far too many teachers to just have a rant.

Yeah, yeah, we do it all day, every day. I have no idea how we all get through the curriculum. I shouted at one child one time today who was really taking the piss today. Even his mates were asking him to stop.

No-one in my school shouts and screams as is being described. It isn't actually a normal teacher style thing to do unless it's a really difficult class and behaviour rules aren't ingrained. I hate the teacher bashing on here, it gets very silly sometimes.

Rewrite SOW into 18 act Germanic opera. 2 birds, one stone

YABU for changing your number format within a sentence. Be sure to cover all four skills by making your students transcribe the entire opera totally accurate, none of this sympathetic native speaker nonsense, now!

I have only screamed once in a class and that was due to an earwig landing in my desk.
I have shouted many times in 29 years for various reasons - to be heard over a rowdy class (usually after being outside doing PE on a windy day); when some have been involved in dangerous behaviour ((fighting etc); when I have had enough (probably 3 times in 20 years)
I have to raise my voice to be heard though

Ok.

So a teacher will be struggling and shout. That's fine.

They send for support. The HOD/HOY comes in and raises her voice very loudly indeed for a prolonged period.

I would personally call that screaming.

The children are not spoken to respectfully.

I thought DD was exaggerating. Then I saw the video (and agree it's awful behaviour) but I saw what she meant. And I felt bad for having shrugged it off.

I knew it. It was a woman.

Women must never shout. That is screaming.

Poor HOYs can never win. Other teachers lean (excessively often) on them for discipline support. Then students (and increasingly these days) parents complain. It really is very undermining.

What is it you want they HOY/ HOD to do when there is a room / hall full of videoing giggling, misbehaving children?

That's not screaming, that's shouting.

Out of interest, other than it being videoed, did the 'prolonged raising of voice' have an effect on the masses?

I think scream is probably the wrong choice of words, aggressively shout perhaps. Female teachers in particular have to be taught how to use their voice as when you project/raise your voice it can sound shrieky and you actively learn to pitch it down a few tones.
In assemblies you tend to be much more forceful than in front of a few pupils or even a class as otherwise to be quite frank you can get walked over. And I'm a teacher who very rarely raises her voice - I sing outside of school and refuse to wreck it.
However if your DD is unsettled by some of the teachers by all means write an email to her tutor and explain that she is scared of some of the teachers perhaps you could reassure etc. But don't use the word scream as other posters have pointed out it isn't the right word in this context - it is more likely shouting but with poor vocal technique so sounds shrill and shrieky,