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It's too hot for high drama, but nonetheless we persist (Trump cont.)

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illegitimateMortificadospawn · 19/06/2017 23:43

I'm all out of inspiration here. The grind is getting us all down, interspersed with terrorist attacks, but we shall overcome. In the meantime, there's gin and camaraderie.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 26/06/2017 22:25

Christopher Hayes @chrislhayes
CBO says that by 2019 you're gonna have the same problem that this bill is supposed to solve: areas where no insurer is in non-group market
That's a fairly devastating finding given that entire rationale for the ACA-is-collapsing story are insurers leaving individual market

Jeff Sharon @Jeff_Sharon
But you watch: The GOP will still blame that problem on the ACA.
“Markets are collapsing.”
“It’s the previous law’s fault!”
So cynical.

cozietoesie · 26/06/2017 22:41

Remind me. Do any of those countries with universal health care have insurers involved in the base provision? Smile

lionheart · 26/06/2017 23:20

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BREAKING: Russian state television (RT) appears to have deleted from its website much of its coverage of Carter Page's 2016 trips to Moscow.

RedToothBrush · 27/06/2017 00:12

The Hill @ thehill
JUST IN: Lawsuit filed against RNC contractor that exposed data on nearly 200 million potential voters
t.co/UPzktXb0Vh

Jasmin Mujanovic @ jasminmuj
Closing stable door after horse has bolted, wherein horse is the personal data of 200 million Americans and now relocated safely to Moscow.

We know RUS targeted elxn systems of at least 21 states and you don't think they got this unprotected data?
edition.cnn.com/2017/06/21/politics/russia-hacking-hearing-states-targeted/index.html
DHS officials: 21 states potentially targeted by Russia hackers pre-election

Meaning, everything that happened re RUS interference in US elxns in 2016 will happen again (and worse) in 2018 and 2020.

One thing for Trump admin, GOP, who obvs benefit from RUS interference, to be mum. Another for media to pretend like it's a minor issue.

If, by some chance, Ds make big gains in 2018 it will also be under cloud of RUS interference which GOP will suddenly be very upset by.

This is why beyond Trump win, RUS succeeded in completely imploding integrity of US elxns. And there's been zero institutional response.

Any D wins in 2018, 2020 as somehow reversing course are contingent on GOP (at least) accepting those results. Why would they tho?

Trump/GOP spent large part of 2016 preparing base to reject any Clinton win as illegitimate + limiting ability of POC to vote.

If they lose in 2018/2020 (big if given both RUS, attacks on voting rights), they'll simply cry foul play and call for "2nd Amendment ppl."

Point: few reasons to believe D wins will significantly affect chaos sown by RUS interference in US elxns, will likely increase. /x

You know it's over right? They've got it firmly stitched up and in the bag for next year.

That's why they are even prepared to bring in trump care and end health insurance for so many. Because the political backlash is already 'taken care of'.

It's a done deal.

And the Supreme Court looks like is totally in the bag, with one judge looking like he might retire and if he doesn't the chances one will cark it in the next two years are very high...

It's done.

People just haven't realised. They were too slow and too weak in response because the media is fucked there.

Don't let it happen in the UK. We just got hacked. Why? More shit coming our way. Brexshit must happen for the money laundering and to undermine the EU.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 27/06/2017 05:22

There's also the gerrymandering, which is likely to get worse:

Ari Berman @AriBerman
Overlooked news: GOP gained 22 extra seats in House through partisan gerrymandering according to @AP analysis t.co/hvO5iPKZ5I?amp=1

Less attention was paid to manipulation that occurred not during the presidential race, but before it — in the drawing of lines for hundreds of U.S. and state legislative seats. The result, according to an Associated Press analysis: Republicans had a real advantage.

The AP scrutinized the outcomes of all 435 U.S. House races and about 4,700 state House and Assembly seats up for election last year using a new statistical method of calculating partisan advantage. It's designed to detect cases in which one party may have won, widened or retained its grip on power through political gerrymandering.

The analysis found four times as many states with Republican-skewed state House or Assembly districts than Democratic ones. Among the two dozen most populated states that determine the vast majority of Congress, there were nearly three times as many with Republican-tilted U.S. House districts.

Traditional battlegrounds such as Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Florida and Virginia were among those with significant Republican advantages in their U.S. or state House races. All had districts drawn by Republicans after the last Census in 2010.

The AP analysis also found that Republicans won as many as 22 additional U.S. House seats over what would have been expected based on the average vote share in congressional districts across the country. That helped provide the GOP with a comfortable majority over Democrats instead of a narrow one.

"The outcome was already cooked in, if you will, because of the way the districts were drawn," said John McGlennon, a longtime professor of government and public policy at the College of William & Mary in Virginia who ran unsuccessfully for Congress as a Democrat in the 1980s.

A separate statistical analysis conducted for AP by the Princeton University Gerrymandering Project found that the extreme Republican advantages in some states were no fluke. The Republican edge in Michigan's state House districts had only a 1-in-16,000 probability of occurring by chance; in Wisconsin's Assembly districts, there was a mere 1-in-60,000 likelihood of it happening randomly, the analysis found.

The AP's findings are similar to recent ones from the Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University School of Law, which used three statistical tests to analyze the 2012-2016 congressional elections. Its report found a persistent Republican advantage and "clear evidence that aggressive gerrymandering is distorting the nation's congressional maps," posing a "threat to democracy." The Brennan Center did not analyze state legislative elections.

There's more in the article but it's worth a read

It's too hot for high drama, but nonetheless we persist (Trump cont.)
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 27/06/2017 06:00

Throw in voter suppression and "free and fair" is looking like a distant dream

The priority of the Democrats – or anyone who values freedom and fairness – should be combatting voter suppression. It does not matter how great your candidate is if people cannot vote, and it does not matter what their platform is if millions are disenfranchised. It is very likely that they will be.

Since the U.S. Supreme Court enacted a partial repeal of the Voting Rights Act in June, 2013, many U.S. states have passed new voter ID laws making it more difficult for racial minorities, the poor and the elderly to vote. Voter suppression was so severe in 2016 that it arguably determined the winner in close states such as Wisconsin, where more than 200,000 voters were disenfranchised and Mr. Trump won by 22,748 votes. Even more states will have voter ID laws on the books in 2018, to the delight of the Trump administration, which has placed notorious opponents of civil rights such as Jeff Sessions in powerful roles.

On top of that, the Trump administration is taking active measures to further voter suppression, creating a "Voter Fraud Commission" based on Mr. Trump's lie that millions of citizens voted illegally. The commission is led by Kris Kobach, an anti-immigrant zealot who has aggressively peddled this myth and will likely use his position to make it more difficult for non-white citizens to cast their ballots.

Every burgeoning autocracy exploits pre-existing injustices. In the United States, race-based voter suppression has long been in play and Russian interference remains an active threat. Given the Trump administration's unwillingness to confront white supremacists and its willingness to rewrite laws, one cannot assume that voter rights will not be removed for arbitrary and unfair reasons. Ensuring them requires constant vigilance.

Tragically, Mr. Ossoff understood this. When asked in a debate to name an issue he wouldn't compromise on, he answered: "voting rights," and cited Mr. Sessions as a threat. This stands in stark contrast to Ms. Handel, whose long record of voter suppression includes voter-ID laws, trying to purge thousands of voters and failing to secure Georgia's voting machines. The alarming thing about Ms. Handel is not that she won, but that she and other members of the GOP will use such tactics to ensure their win. That's what to watch out for in 2018.

beta.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/dont-focus-on-georgia-voter-suppression-is-the-issue/article35409425/?ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theglobeandmail.com&service=mobile

TheNorthWestPawsage · 27/06/2017 07:11

Now I'm really depressed!

It's too hot for high drama, but nonetheless we persist (Trump cont.)
lionheart · 27/06/2017 07:34

www.buzzfeed.com/claudiakoerner/white-house-says-syria-may-be-preparing-another-chemical?utm_term=.ndVX3m8jW#.dud9xwaBb

'Five US defense officials said they did not know where the potential chemical attack would come from and were unaware the White House was planning a statement.'

lionheart · 27/06/2017 07:52

m.mic.com/articles/amp/180898/donald-trump-is-hurting-americas-image-around-the-world-new-pew-research-center-study-finds

'Positive views of Trump outstripped those of Obama in two notable countries: Russia and Israel.'

lionheart · 27/06/2017 07:52

Fear for it:

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It appears policy advisers at State were not briefed on WH Syria statement. Spoke to one senior official tonight who heard the news from me.

Orlantina · 27/06/2017 08:38

Why is is a part of me thinks the Syria statement is a massive distraction from other issues Trump has at the moment?

Lweji · 27/06/2017 08:47

I read the Syria warning as justification for another bombing.

lionheart · 27/06/2017 09:05

For Trump: bombing = distraction.

lionheart · 27/06/2017 09:09

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It's not just individual markets and medicaid. CBO says 4 million w employer-based coverage would lose insurance next year under Senate plan

lionheart · 27/06/2017 09:13

And more (which makes me wonder whether, for some reason, this was the point of the SCOTUS interim decision):

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/26/us-travel-ban-impact-legal-experts-advocates

Lweji · 27/06/2017 09:46

News have just come out of more US people with ties to Russia.
Colbert is back from... (Make sure you watch the second clip to the very end past the ad)

cozietoesie · 27/06/2017 10:37

Thanks Lweji. (And for the watching tip.) Grin

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 27/06/2017 10:41

northwest ironically, your picture cheered me up this morning. What an adorable pug!

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 27/06/2017 11:12

Oh god, I was listening to this yesterday ( www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08vxt11#play ) and thought how we weren't too far off this dystopia but some of it's actually being proposed www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dan-picard-ohio-overdose-victims_us_595166e8e4b05c37bb789afb?nef

I'm feeling worn out today.

cozietoesie · 27/06/2017 11:19

Take a couple of days break, Pain. Smile This is going to be a long haul so you'd best pace yourself.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 27/06/2017 11:31

I'm leaving work early and am borrowing a friend's dog to take on a long walk so hopefully that'll help shake off these blues.

Just feeling powerless atm. It's all going to shit and I have no idea how to even begin to help combating it. If anyone has a beginner's guide to resistance in the UK, please share ideas! I live in the sixth safest Tory constituency in the country so my MP is not that receptive to pressure and short of attending marches, I'm at a loss as to what would be effective.

cozietoesie · 27/06/2017 11:37

You're tired. A good walk with the dog will help things.Smile

TheClaws · 27/06/2017 12:03

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Wow, CNN had to retract big story on "Russia," with 3 employees forced to resign. What about all the other phony stories they do? FAKE NEWS!

He also retweeted a lame 'CNN=FNN' meme but I won't subject you to that.

cozietoesie · 27/06/2017 12:05

Surprisingly low octane for him, though?