To be fucked off at a lot of schools?

[KitBee]

Blazers on in this a weather. Really?

Top buttons too.

DSis school is saying it's to enhance work ethic and get you use to the work place by following rules like these.

Cannot think of many work places who would purposely make you uncomfortable like this

DS is still in utero. I'm praying they change these stupid rules nationally very soon, and make it bad practise to force children to swelter like this.

Draught not draft !!!

It all seems so insane.

Teachers can't apply sun lotion for most schools due to safeguarding... yet children must swelter in unnecessary uniform.

All seems a bitit given how strict health and safety is nowadays

We still haven't had notification that the kids don't have to wear blazers to school. I told dd to carry hers on the way to school as she has a mile long hill to walk up, but it's irritating that we have to tell them to go against the rules.

There are still some VERY old fashioned attitudes out there.

My mother in law is a prime example. She looks down on people who aren't wearing suit and tie in places like banks, offices, high-end shops, etc. She'll happily ignore available staff who are in casual clothing or who have tattoos etc to wait for a "more decent" member of staff to come available! Completely barmy!!

She still somehow equates "suit and tie" to being trustworthy, reliable, etc.

No doubt, she and others like her are rich pickings for con-merchants, such as disreputable salesmen, tradesmen, etc., who wear suit and tie as they clearly know that "some" kinds of people will immediately view them as more trustworthy.

Barmy, considering anyone can buy a suit at the likes of Asda for less than £50 these days, so wearing one means nothing!

DS's school has a blazer. A nasty synthetic cheap looking but stupidly expensive thing. He has to wear it today.
Apparently they can ask to take it off and the teacher might agree...
DS has an ASC and often doesn't recognise when he is overheating....
His form teacher is out today so I have emailed the SENCO to ask if someone can ensure he isn't quietly boiling because if I know DS he will quietly boil until he can bear it no more then lose the plot spectacularly, they will work out he is hot and then they will say @he should have asked to take off his blazer'....
When I was at school we had a very strict uniform with a blazer but it was basically just our summer coat. We had summer blouses to wear.
DD is in a summer dress, one 47 sizes too big so no part of it actually touches her body (ASC as well with massive sensory issues).
DH works in an office at an engineering firm. He's gone to work in lightweight trousers and shirt, no tie. He never wears a jacket anyway but normally wears a shirt and tie.
If a school has a uniform I agree with a PP who said smart lightweight trousers and a polo shirt for summer.

I work for a large, very corporate organisation and nobody wears a shirt and tie in this weather! Most places I've worked have had a smart casual code anyway, and are very lax with the definition when a heatwave is on. Feel so sorry for the poor kids being made to swelter in this heat.

Just spoke to a colleague who tells me that on a sweltering hot day last summer, when. I wasn't working at this school, five girls fainted during Assembly and were taken out. The rest of the girls were very kindly allowed to sit for the remainder of Assembly.

Why? Just why? This is total nonsense. They're kids for Chrissake.

I honestly think that there's some sort of unspoken theory that teenagers have to be kept down,preferably utterly miserable, so they'll follow the rules.

I always hear complaints that the youth of today are apathetic and lazy. I'd be apathetic and lazy if I was forced to wear uncomfortable clothes for most of the day, to the point of fainting, then expected to do hours of studying when I got home, then if I had some free time after that, I'd be lucky to have anything to do because leisure centres are expensive, youth clubs are practically non existent, etc etc.

My school has said no to blazers and ties since last week. We still have students refusing to take them off however. Go figure!!

My girls aren't going back to school this afternoon. The Head is "out of school" today so no-one can take the decision to allow them to take off their blazers. DD1 has thrown up so legitimately can't go back. DD2 is sat in front of the fan glugging water.

According to the school receptionist there are children at school in hotter countries... Not in thick old buildings with no air con and windows that don't open with staff without the authority to allow them to remove blazers they don't!

Maybe they are self conscious about their body.

That was to kitty

I'd love to see more summer dresses. Dark check A Line knee length. Cool and practical and flattering for all.

The boys would love that!! And 14 year old girls!!!

Have you missed the point of this thread?

misiabella, I absolutely think it is a safeguarding issue.

Ds's school have said no blazers or ties this week as too hot.

He actually likes wearing his blazer, not in this weather obviously but normally.

I'm a teacher and I hate uniform. The rest of Europe seems to manage perfectly well without it - why can't we?

I don't actually believe in any of the arguments in favour of it.

Gives children pride in belonging to their school: bollocks

Improves standards and behaviour: nope, it creates more rules to be broken.

Even the argument about it preventing one-upmanship about fashion and expensive clothes is pretty spurious. Kids will do this over phones, trainers, make-up, rucksacks, watches, haircuts etc even if they wear uniform.

Making kids wear blazers and jumpers in hot weather is just pathetic.

DS was expecting a shirtsleeves announcement first thing this morning.

I think schools like going for a formal blazer uniform because parents like it. They somehow think it must mean the school is jolly strict and old-fashioned with great discipline and no nonsense. Which is obviously not true.

My school has a blazer too. But the kids will be told when it's hot like this that they don't have to wear them. More than likely they will also be able to take their tie off and undo their top button.

There is a jumper too, but this is always optional.

My son's secondary is luckily a sweatshirt one but they have to keep them on until the point in the summer term when an edict from on high is delivered and they can take them off. BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO BRING THEM TO SCHOOL IN THEIR BAGS! WHY? It's like some alternative logic free universe.

I used to teach and a classic nursery activity is sorting clothes into winter and summer. If 3 yrs old can do that why aren't teenagers allowed?

I'm from Germany and was shocked that it is legal in the UK to discriminate against girls by forcing them to wear skirts at school.

Is it? My DDs have always had the option to wear trousers, skirt or shorts or summer dress in both primary and secondary school.

Enforced wearing of physically painful or harmful clothes as an intentional punishment is corporal punishment which is illegal.

If a parent forced their child to wear thick woolly clothes in 90F heat in order to punish them, and denied them water, Social Services would get involved! Ironic isn't it, children being sent to school in weather-inappropriate clothing (like not having a coat in winter) is a red flag for neglect and something teachers are trained to notice for potential SS referral. Yet the school can enforce the exact same inappropriate and in some cases welfare-endangering clothes?? Schools banning coats??

Schools have a legal duty of care towards pupils. This is 100% a safeguarding issue.

Children have the right to wear weather-appropriate clothes and have adequate access to water, and to shelter from extreme elements. If my child fainted (or suffered heatstroke or any other ailment) due to being forced to wear weather-inappropriate clothing I would sue the school.

I have a medical condition which means getting overheated can cause serious heart damage - I assume children with disabilities and medical needs are exempt but it appears not.

What are they waiting for, a child to actually die?

That's so true about the clothes sorting and lack of it being applied to teens!
I work with pupils with SLd. year 10/11 functioning 3-5 years.
We did this recently during a hot period and 2 of the pupils in local secondaries commented about their siblings wearing trousers and jacket! 1 was in smart tailored shorts in school colours and school polo and the other was in school summer dress.
It's just dawned on me they thought their
Siblings were a little mad and what this actually shows in reflection to the rules.

One of my local schools enforces jumpers & blazers, they also must have the school issue bag. On the first day of the school year last Sept, it was scorching hot. They made all of the kids line up in the yard to have their uniform inspected before they were allowed in which took absolutely ages. There were kids fainting and throwing up with the heat, it caused a massive uproar. If my kids went there I would have removed them asap!

It's also ironic that when children start secondary there is a huge emphasis on them taking responsibility for everything - getting to school, sorting homework, lost property but regulating their body temperature doesn't seem to be on the list. I went to a girls grammar in the 70s and it had oodles of uniform including a cape (optional - other choice was a very ugly gabardine mac) ! But the blazer was optional and we had a summer uniform and weren't forced to wear a jumper or cardigan when it was hot.