To be fucked off at a lot of schools?

[KitBee]

Blazers on in this a weather. Really?

Top buttons too.

DSis school is saying it's to enhance work ethic and get you use to the work place by following rules like these.

Cannot think of many work places who would purposely make you uncomfortable like this

DS is still in utero. I'm praying they change these stupid rules nationally very soon, and make it bad practise to force children to swelter like this.

Having compulsory school uniform has bugger all to do with a country achieving ing disciple in its schools or a high level of educational attainment

The love of uniforms - the extra cost for parents and the time wasted by teachers - does not seem to give the UK any advantage over the other countries in Europe and elsewhere that do not.

It's a load of bollocks. I went to a school like this, prestigious grammar etc. Not one of my friends have ever had to wear work clothing as picky and impractical as they did in school. I now work in a similarly petty school and the staff are walking around in short sleeved blouses and cropped canvas trousers while the kids sweat miserably. I tell them to get their blazers off and get out their (heavily controlled) water bottles for unlimited drinking, because I think it's impossible for them to focus when they are so uncomfortable. I really don't give a shit if I get in trouble about it because I remember how miserable I was myself when I was at school. The girls in my school now aren't allowed to wear trousers and can only wear socks instead of tights at prescribed times of the year. They are funny about the stitching on shoes too.

I'd have them all in polo shirts and reasonably smart, light fabric trousers - chinos or something. And sensible, comfortable shoes. Black trainers.

I'm not against uniform at all, but it should be boring, functional and comfortable.

Forgot to mention - my best friend has been very successful in her career, earns a lot,probably most out of all of us. She was constantly in trouble in school for her uniform. She now goes to work in her office in a hoodie and leggings!

My DS has had to go off to school in blazer and tie today. It is ridiculous.

I am strongly in favour of school uniform as it avoids any angst about what to wear and basic uniform items like shirts and trousers are pretty cheap. But I also think there should be a summer uniform of polo shirt or short sleeved shirt with no tie and no blazer.

My very ordinary state comp in the late 90s had blazers but no stupid rules about when you could take it off other than you had to take it off for practical lessons in science and technology. You had to have it with you but could take it off in January if you wanted to

Must say I concur with you OP and Hesterton great post - I agree with everything you said.

I'm all for uniform but blazers and ties are ridiculous. Useless arbitrary items that uphold draconian and harmful ideals. Get them to fuck.

Some schools are ridiculous with their uniform policies. Ties and blazers in hot weather, stupid and how many kids will pass out from the heat?
DD has gone in to her non uniform primary in shorts, t-shirt and sandals (also has cap and sun cream on). The other children I saw were all in weather appropriate cotton clothes.
I used to work in an office with smart dress code but ties and jackets weren't compulsory especially in the heat. If people had client meetings they would put a jacket and the on.

I am massively in favour of uniform and overall try to be very supportive of schools. My DC are nowhere near senior school age. If, when they do get to that age, they are fainting because of needing to wear a blazer then I will be raising hell.

My DDs school has just sent out a message saying blazers and ties will not be necessary this week due to the forecast hot weather, So some schools do look at the bigger picture! This is a first though!

Makes me feel very fortunate that my DS's school has no uniform - they went in in shorts and t-shirt/floaty top today. They moaned enough as it was - I'm going to tell them later to count their blessings that they don't have to wear blazers and ties!

We also had a email requesting the kids wear pe kits today. Our school doesn't require the blazer after May half term. Actually feel sorry for all children sitting in hot classrooms all day

When I went to school, convent in 80's, it was gymslips, woollen girdles (tie around the waist - not playtex) old fashioned hats etc. But blazers where outdoor only and in the summer we used to just wear our school summer dress and straw hat to and from school. Eminently sensible. (The hats were used to carry sweets!)
I don't understand the need to wear blazers in school. Every man I know who wears a suit to work, takes off the jacket as soon as they get to the office.

I would love to see ties banned everywhere, forever.

100% agree - probably the most pointless garment every created. (Although the waistcoat of a 3 piece suit comes close). They should only be allowed as optional for really "posh" events such as weddings or "black tie" events. They have NO PLACE at all in normal daily life.

Our teachers used to drive around making sure we hadn't taken our blazers off in summer when walking home because we were 'representing' the school'. Yeah we looked fantastic all slumped and wilting! Luckily my way home had ginnels so we could hide and take them off.

At least private boys prep schools have kept shorts for boys winter and summer... worth paying just for that.

DD goes to one of the best sixth form colleges in the country. They can wear what they like, have multicoloured coloured hair, facial piercings, the lot. It doesn't seem to stop them getting fantastic A level grades and great uni places and careers.

Nope email today first thing from one school saying no need for blazers and ties. Email from another school (secondary) saying: remember PE kits, wear a hat, bring water and sunglasses are fine if needed. All very sensible to me.

My older dcs have to take blazers to school and wear them through the gates but have been told to remove them in school due to weather. The blazers are much lighter in cloth than in my day (heavy wool) heaven in winter but hell in summer. Both my dcs love their blazers cos of all the rubbish they carry in the numerous pockets! Younger dd in summer dress (school colours) and ds short trousers - but he and his older dcs all in ties. None of mine complaining and parents I have spoken to don't seem concerned. It is a high achieving school and uniform regulations are strict. The girls wear skirts but have the option to wear trousers - very few do though.

I am constantly amazed and irritated by many schools' outdated uniform requirements. I don't know any adult who wears a tie to work, never mind a blazer

The local - outstanding, hugely oversubscribed - middle school posted on its FB page yesterday that all pupils would be allowed to go in their PE kit today.

DS's school summer uniform includes polo shirts and shorts so is comfortable enough thankfully. And they have a pool so all the kids will have a chance to cool off for a while today.

It seems to be related to some kind of vicious and faintly sadistic conservative disciplinary backlash. There's no other explanation.

Agreed - I've even read some teaching blogs where people think this could be a making ready for the return of corporal punishment in schools! Can only hope that we stop this nonsense before that happens.

I find it ironic that it's all about "preparation for adult life and jobs requiring full suits" etc - yet only small percentage of students will go into that type of work and probably less so from these schools because they aren't learning to their full potentiometer while slowly cooking!

I also prefer teachers to dress more casually than some do.

Chinos or trousers and a nice shirt for men is enough imo and trousers/skirt and smart top or casual dress for woman.
(And of course makes and females could actually wear any if they wished before I'm accused of being sexist Mn style!)

Dc's state primary changed their uniform last 16, ditched the summer dress for girls and added a tie for everyone. Apparently the majority of parents voted in favour, yet there are significantly more than half the girls in summer dresses and not even in the school colours!

I have refused to send my dc with their ties this week. Dh works for the civil service and they are in shirt sleeves order due to the weather. Ie unless you are public facing them you are permitted to ditch the tie and just wear your shirt, open necked. Even those who will be public facing just have to wear their tie, no jumper/jacket etc.

I have to not send the tie nor jumpers otherwise the 'must comply with all school rules' child, who also gets hot very easily would be wearing tie and jumper.

Schools are meant to encourage students to aim high but the only jobs with really Draconian clothing rules are lower paid. It's like they want kids to accept part of the MacJob culture and prepare them for that kind of life. It would encourage much better thinking skills to let them choose a summer uniform.

I come from the country where we did not wear uniforms. My parents did wear uniforms though (as did I until year 2) and it was taken as a sign of oppression and a way of teaching youngsters that the state owns them and there is no way out. The uniforms were the first thing to go after the communist oppression ended. There was common understanding that school was not a runaway so we wore sensible clothes to school. We did not start running riot after taking the uniform off.

On the whole I think the uniform is not a bad thing, but it seems to be the main focus for the failing schools. They seem to think being extremely, if not ridiculously tough regarding uniforms will somehow magically put knowledge into children's heads.

My daughter attends a lovely, outstanding infant school, which is not crazy about uniform, but it is about reading, maths and writing. The children finish y2 with levels of maths and english way above the avarage. Unfortunately the school feeds into crappy junior school, which lets all the advantage to get lost and children at the end of year 6 come out with lower than average outcomes. I don't think that this school has ever been good. They were ok regarding the uniforms and the children behave well - it is the teaching that is lacking . Yet, the new head teacher brought in to improve teaching starts with deciding on the new uniform as this is the most important issue. I don't really have much choice regarding junior schools, but it well may be that I will have to look for a space in other primary schools.

I also do not understand how the children can be made to faint and get heatstroke because their uniforms and water bottles are policed. Is that not safeguarding issue? They are obviously being abused and harmed! Maybe some suing 'no win no fee' companies should get onto it.

In our office, some of the women wear light thin clothes and then bitch about the odd draft . While the poor men have to wear trousers and shirts . No long shorts allowed, no sandals. No air con.
My dd (10) this morning commented on how girls in her school could wear summer dresses but boys' options were pretty limited.
"isn't that sexist? " she asked.
"Yes, love, it is. Usually it's sexism against women but this is sexism against men". Either type is horrible.