To hate Lily Allen

[ClappingThighs]

I can't stand her. Always popping up somewhere that she's not required to put her 2 cents in. It's like her music is so shit and unpopular she's decided to just stick her oar in wherever she can now. I've never disliked anyone this strongly before (that I've never met!)

Maybe because Paul Golding wasn't all over the papers this morning?

Never heard of him, and thank God, he doesn't sound very nice.

Oh it's soo easy to pile on a young woman who, whether you agree or not, is at least being seen to do something.

But when it comes to criticising a Britain First member??

We need everyone to come out, rich, poor, left, right, famous and not famous, and demand fucking answers! - Do you think now is the right time to demand answers? Why? As I said, there will need to be an investigation etc and until then I doubt anyone will have answers. Do you think this could all be done overnight? Of course these people need answers, absolutely, but 'demanding' answers right this minute is futile.

@BigYellowJumper

Here you go.....

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/britain-first-grenfell-tower-fire-muslims-help-victims-racist-london-islamophobia-east-london-mosque-a7790991.html

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/britain-first-east-london-mosque_uk_59414373e4b09ad4fbe4a201

She lives there, doesn't she?

Has she sold her multi-million pound house in the Cotswolds then?

lana well sorry but she's hardly young. She's in her 30s. I hate this crap of trying to make women seem like poor little delicate petals who can't be criticised.

I don't think you can just blindly do anything you feel like because you think it's a good idea. You have to think about the consequences too. I don't think the benefits of her speaking out outway the negatives. So no I don't think 'well at least she's doing something.'

I like her and am surprised somebody hates her. I didnt think she came across as irritating

I like her. She's a refreshing change from other 'perfect' female celebs.

But, I can see why she winds people up. She reminds me of Russell Brand with her virtue signaling (not referring to Grenfell here).

Also, isn't her dad a famous comedian and her mum a famous tv producer? If so, why did she grow up in a council estate?

Semi

Yes it is the right time, because in previous events where there was clear fault by authorities, they waited till the outrage died down, and the memory fading, then held useless inquiries that took years and swept stuff unddr the carpet.

Look at Hillsborough.
30 fucking years it took to finally get the truth of what happened that day.

I bet the paper shreddings already started.

Looking into the actual cause of the fire, and all the forensics will take months or years, I get that.

But it's fucking obvious to me that there are loads of questions that need to be answered right fucking now, before those responsible manage to wriggle out of addressing it.
The most important and pressing question is why the fuck were the residents ignored for so long, despite repeatedly raising massive concerns about the safety of the building??

Fire regs.
We need to assess all other tower blocks.
No more fucking cheapy cladding.
We need to seriously assess a housing and political system that allows companies to get away with shoddy work.
How can we let building managers get away with spending a fortune on cladding, without addressing the power surges and other issues?

I hate this crap of trying to make women seem like poor little delicate petals who can't be criticised.

I also hate that, but I was comparing all the hate of Lily Allen, with the fucking silence (still btw) on that odious little knob Paul Golding.

No one started a thread hating on him, did they?
Despite him being in the papers and doing something actually worthy of hate.
I find that interesting, that people would rather hate on her, than him.

Never heard of Paul Golding.
No idea what he's been spouting.
And I've read a lot of different news sites the last couple of days.

YABU

She strikes me as someone who cares deeply about social injustice and has the balls to speak up about it, in-spite of the flak she gets from doing so.

I don't always agree with what she says or sometimes the way she say it, but I'd rather listen to her heartfelt opinions than the anodyne PR scrubbed and sanitised statements many other celebrities make.

I am more than happy to reserve my dislike for people who actually deserve it and find this slagging off of an outspoken young women quite distasteful actually.

You can munch on this OP .

Lana Re: Golding. Until I saw your posting, I hadn't heard of him and had not seen him being interviewed on a mainstream news programme or being quoted in the papers. So I Googled him and learned. Yes, he is indeed a vile piece of work and deserves huge criticism.

I did, however, see Lily Allen being interviewed on Channel 4 news last night and being quoted in the papers this morning. I think some of what she said is unhelpful. We KNOW the death toll is going to be hideous. Not one person has said ONLY 17 have died; everyone has always made it clear the numbers are going to be significantly higher. But speculating isn't useful. It will, as they have said, take weeks. Some bodies may not even be identified. It's only right that FAMILIES take precedence over the media and celebrities and I think her implication that it is being deliberately covered up somehow is crass, insensitive and quite frankly stupidly offensive to all those involved.

Some of the missing will turn up, be found in hospital without identification. Then there will be people who may not have been residents but visiting a friend and no one knew they were there because they have no family.

I remember 9/11 and huge numbers were being thrown around very quickly. Very large numbers. 10,000. Gradually, more and more missing were accounted for or identified in hospitals and the number fell enormously. Still, of course, horrendous, but nowhere near the original figure. The authorities are doing the right thing here and people like Allen should STFU. DO things, raise money, yes, but not spout forth. The only people who should be heard are the actual residents and their families and those stunningly incredible people who are working at the site.

I don't hate Lily Allen by any stretch of the imagination. I don't even know her!

But I watched the channel 4 interview last night and found her deeply irritating. She seemed to be implying that there was some sort of cover up in terms of the number of dead, as opposed to the obvious reason that the authorities don't like to speculate and any decent media should respect that (as ch4 was). She wouldn't let Jon Snow get that point across at all. These kind of accusations are just going to fuel the anger and hurt of the residents more and I think that as Lily has made a leadership position for herself in the Grenfell tragedy it was deeply irresponsible of her.

As for pp asking about Paul Golding I think there's no thread on him as there's simply nothing to discuss. AIBU that Paul Golding is an utter, utter cunt? - would have a pretty universal YANBU, I think.

I like that Lana has referred to her as a 'young woman' - Lily is a couple of years older than me

shatner sand agree with you both.

She grew up in the area apparently and still has lots of connections whether she lives there or not.

She went she helped she stayed she helped more. She got emotional and angry - are you really suprised anyone would

I can't get upset about it - we all know to take what we hear with a pinch of salt she is one voice.

I've already said upthread that we need fucking answers and quick.

And I agree, it the families voices we should be hearing.

But 1) They've been ignored for years, despite raising concerns time and time again, are they really going to be listened to this time?

2. I have already been quite disgusted at the media's treatment of the families. They seem to be using them to get as much of an emtional response as possible, and I think that's wrong.

I am worried that they will be ignored again, and the people responsible will ignore them, and shrug their shoulders and pass the buck, and not address the real issues.

I don't know.

What she said wasn't perfect, but we need answers to some things (not the forensics, I get that) right now, before all the paperwork disappears, and people have had enough time to formulate excuses that won't be answers.

The whole system (and a fuck load of other towers), need looking at NOW.

As I said upthread, we need everyone to stand up and ask for accountability and change, now, not when the forensics come in.

It is already obvious there have been serious failings at all levels, from shitty fire regs, through dodgy systems and landlords, to prioritising profit and looks over power surges and danger.

Someone on R4 right now, trying subtly to blame it on immigrants.

I literally just heard "if there wasn't so many immigrants, there wouldn't be corner cutting"!!!!

What the actual fuck did I just hear??

THIS IS WHAT IS WORRYING ME- DISTRACTION, DEFLECTION IS ALREADY HAPPENING.

lana I think Lily Allen provoked even more emotion.

That's what bothers me about her.

I think everyone wants answers (except maybe some utter wankers with interest in hiding this.) Doubt you'll find anyone on this thread who thinks the whole thing should be hushed up.

I cannot stand her. I just know she would have to have her say about the fire. She thinks she knows it all.

She has no more idea of the number of people that died than I do.

She should stick to singing - oh wait a minute she can't sing!

I never understand why pop stars and celebrities are hailed as great minds and political commentators just for having an opinion. Surely they have no more knowledge than normal people. I think she does the fire brigade a disservice by assuming she knows more about the number of dead at Grenfell than they do. She seems quite naive about how things work and how the emergency services need to manage a situation like this. She comes across as a bit childish and overindulged.

What a shame ClappingThighs, because she speaks so highly of you.

Do you know what?

At a time when we should be demanding answers NOW-
Top of the list....

Who was responsible for ignoring the residents concerns?

Who decided that rather than address dangerous power surges they'd spend millions on cladding that shouldn't even be legal in the country?

Why is clearly dangerous cladding legal here, when it is illegal in lots of other places?

Why do we constantly prioritise profit over people?

THESE ARE THE THINGS WE SHOULD BE DISCUSSING AND DEMANDING ANSWERS TO, BUT INSTEAD YOU ARE SLAGGING OFF A WOMAN WHO IS AT LEAST ASKING QUESTIONS.

That has made me incredibly angry and sad at the same time.

People will waste time slagging off someone as a "lefty piece of shit" rather than fighting for the answers to these questions.

Uh huh.

Lana "What she said wasn't perfect". No. Not by any means. A third of it was reasonable, a third of it was downright stupid or naive and a third of it was downright offensive. Her implication of some form of cover up of numbers is hugely offensive. Even if you feel some may try to minimise the death toll it's actually impossible. If nothing else, those firemen who risked their lives, are crying their eyes out at having to see all those dead bodies, many of them children, would not keep quiet if they felt something was being hushed up. There has never been a hushing up of death tolls at least in the last 40+ years,, whether its Piper Alpha, Kings Cross, Brighton bombings, Hillsborough.

That part of what she said was indefensible and I'm astonished anyone thinks otherwise.