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To hate Lily Allen

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ClappingThighs · 16/06/2017 01:00

I can't stand her. Always popping up somewhere that she's not required to put her 2 cents in. It's like her music is so shit and unpopular she's decided to just stick her oar in wherever she can now. I've never disliked anyone this strongly before (that I've never met!)

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southeastdweller · 17/06/2017 07:40

That you have quite the issue with her is fascinating, given that you don't know her personally.

Why are you fascinated? That seems a rather childish response. Celebs put themselves out there to be despised or loved or whatever and the OP has given her reasons for hating LA. It doesn't matter that she doesn't know LA personally.

Papafran · 17/06/2017 07:44

Lily Allen is a jumped up prick. She went to private school, had a lovely life and has spent her adulthood trying to somehow fight it and become 'street'. Most people would give their right arm to have had her life whilst she just rebels against it

I think that's unfair. She did live on a council estate although at a later stage, her parents were able to afford to send her to a number of private schools. Her dad left home when she was 4 according to her wikipedia entry and she went to a total of 13 schools, being expelled from a number of them. Her dad has been in prison and has kids by a number of other women. She left school with no qualifications.

To be fair, that doesn't sound like a 'lovely life' at all. It sounds like an unsettled life of someone who seems troubled. A happy childhood has very little to do with money and everything to do with love and security.

scaryclown · 17/06/2017 07:56

Fuck OFF!
She's a pop singer who lived round there and is doing something. The BBC obviously saw her and asked her opinion. She gave it. People are sagging her because she hadn't media trained and rehearsed an answer they would have liked her to give and presented it in a nice edit.

Sooo.. Political Perfection required.

Then there's 'oh she's not' real' enough for you.... Not poor enough, or successful enough, or her songs aren't as good as you would write, if your fantasy amazing pop singer hidden personality came out, that you have chosen to hide in order to be poor and real?

Jeez...

Fattynoms02 · 17/06/2017 08:06

Yanbu

TheBogQueen · 17/06/2017 08:21

Re: the number of fatalities

Please remember that real people, like you and I, will be picking through the remains in the tower to bring back bodies and body parts for identification. It's a long, grim process.

They won't know definitive numbers for a while. It's not up to the emergency services to feed people's appetite for news. They are trying to stick to the facts, trying to be respectful and not chuck about inaccurate random information for people on social Media and even lily allen.

What she said on Channel 4 News was crass especially when the emergency services had worked so long and so bravely. It's their specialist teams who will be doing identification, it's their teams who will be tracing family members and supporting the grieving. Not Lily Allen

They don't know who was in those flats/out/abroad. There's no conspiracy it's just these things take a bit of time and need to be done properly.

scottishdiem · 17/06/2017 08:24

Successful woman - suspect
Successful woman opens mouth to express an opinion and offer support - just fuck off will you.

TheBogQueen · 17/06/2017 08:27

I don't think LA deserves the hate she is getting Either.

I watched that interview and wondered why they had even put her up for interview? What could she add?

frenboop · 17/06/2017 08:29

She has managed to be completely inflammatory by suggesting that there has been a 'political cover up' over the amount of dead.

That was a stupid and crass thing to say.

KC225 · 17/06/2017 08:31

She is awful - ill informed, imature and verbally incontinent. Since when did Lily Allen become a political commentator? If I didn't think she was so irritating, I would be almost embarrassed for her. I think it's like the gawping at patients in asylums.

Nikitasol · 17/06/2017 08:33

I think she's great! YAB (very)U

Papafran · 17/06/2017 08:51

There's no conspiracy it's just these things take a bit of time and need to be done properly

Right, so there is never a cover-up by official bodies to try to minimise their liability. Hillsborough being a prime example. There, the police leaked false information to the press and it took almost 30 years for the truth to come out.

As I and others have said, the deliberate slow trickle of number of dead in the press is not being done out of respect. For example, when the planes hit the twin towers, we were immediately told that the death count was in the thousands.

The people saying 'we don't know for sure if all the residents were in'. You think all the missing might have been on holiday? Of course they're fucking dead. Some of them don't have next of kin to report them missing. Some entire families are dead. Basically, every single resident who is unaccounted for at present must be presumed to be dead and there must be a list of all the residents.

I don't know how strongly I can say that saying 'we have to wait to verify the numbers' is NOT done out of respect for the families. The families are saying 'why is the press not reporting the full extent of what has just happened?'. They may well be by now, but they were not when Lily Allen gave her interview. The number of 150 was one she got from the emergency services themselves.

Movingonuppppp · 17/06/2017 08:53

Did someone say 'she's not media trained'. Fuck me. Please if course she is!

I love how Jezza C is down with the kids these days. Let's open all the empty houses in Kensington and Chelsea and let all the victims live there. Shall we also give them a unicorn each Jezza?

histinyhandsarefrozen · 17/06/2017 08:59

Things I object to about posters' wording on this thread:
Leftie to equal bad
Champagne socialist to equal bad
Virtue signaller to describe anyone you don't like
Luvie to describe anyone famous who talks about social or political issues
These are lazy short cuts for people who can't be bothered to think or offer evidence. Try not to be so inflammatory and offer a proper reasoned debate.

I find it interesting that just about anyone who shows compassion these days is called a 'leftie'. I don't get why that is.

I suppose its one of those mystery things like calling someone a 'pointless person'.

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 17/06/2017 09:00

Agree with papa

And histiny last comment

user1480459555 · 17/06/2017 09:03

scottishdiam, I have no problem with successful women - good for them. Is Lily that successful though? Very little talent (my cat can sing better).

I also don't have a problem with women, or men, expressing an opinion but someone like Lily who has to pipe up at every opportunity and spout rubbish annoy me.

I think she is being hugely disrespectful to the fire service and police in making accusations of a cover up. She also is not really thinking about the missing peoples friends and family by shouting her mouth off is she?

We all know the numbers will go up. The press said a few days ago it would likely be over 100 but what is the point of stating a number and then having to keep changing it?

The number was 17. That was 17 confirmed and identified dead. Now I believe the number is around 70. They have to try and identify the bodies and then try and find the next of kin to let them know. Do people not want that to be done the correct way?

The council will have a list of council tenants but some of the flats were private. Those owners could have rented the property out. Also it is quite common in London for council tenants to sublet their property so how are the council meant to know if that is the case here or not?

How can they know who was in their flat, if they had any friends visiting, if they are away on holiday or any of the other likely scenarios?

user1480459555 · 17/06/2017 09:08

Papafran, just because there have been cover ups in the past doesn't mean there is a cover up here does it? There have been plenty of other incidents where there doesn't seem to have been any cover up but why not, like Lily, ignore that?

The numbers given out for the twin towers (and in America they tend to do things differently) was altered as time went by and, I believe, reduced.

As to your "the council will have a list" well as I said in my previous post that list is quite likely not that accurate.

The fact that the numbers are coming out now is because bodies are being found by the brave firefighters NOT because Ms Allen spouted off.

derxa · 17/06/2017 09:09

I think it's like the gawping at patients in asylums. This. She's feeding off people's grief.

Lweji · 17/06/2017 09:13

How can anyone seriously be shouting cover up so soon after the tragedy when they are just going up the tower to find the bodies?
In a burnt out tower that they don't even know it's safe to enter.

Grow up.

user1480459555 · 17/06/2017 09:18

Lweji, exactly.

Some people need to use whatever brain they have before they mouth off

Papafran · 17/06/2017 09:25

User firstly, I did not say that the council has a list, but that there will be a list somewhere with details of the number of people officially resident in the block. There will be, trust me. Some flats may be sublet, but there will be some details, somewhere.

I am glad you have such trust and faith in the media and believe that they are sincerely waiting for each and every body to be properly identified before reporting it. Sadly, that is complete rubbish. They are not. For some reason, they are keeping the toll as low as they can. For the families, that is horrific. Their experiences are being suppressed. See here:

In 9/11, the death toll was lowered from initial estimates. But ask yourself why in 9/11 and other terror attacks, the media happily overestimated numbers whereas at Grenfell, they underestimate?

TheBogQueen · 17/06/2017 09:30

Maybe they just want to get things right and not deal in 'fake news' ?

TheBogQueen · 17/06/2017 09:33

It's not the media -they are awaiting official figures as every sensible news outlet will and that's respectful of the people affected.

user1480459555 · 17/06/2017 09:33

There will NOT be a list of flats that are sublet. Subletting a council property is not legal so people would never ever declare they were doing it. Sadly it is very very common in London.

Maybe the media learned from overestimating the numbers in 9/11 not to be so quick to jump in?

I am pretty sure no one is "keeping the numbers as low as they can". That is an awful and pretty stupid thing to say. They cannot know the true numbers until that block has been searched thoroughly. Even then they may not ever know the exact numbers.

You seem to think that every single person living there was on some magical council list and that none of them should not really have been there or do not have any friends or relatives who will know they are missing.

What if one or more of the private flats were being rented out on Airbnb? The actual owner could be abroad and completely unaware of what is going on. The people staying there may well not have told anyone the exact address they were staying. Me and DH stay in Airbnb places a lot and I never think to give anyone the address.

You carry on thinking Allen is some sort of saint

BabsGanoush · 17/06/2017 09:34

KC225 - She is awful - ill informed, imature and verbally incontinent.

You need to add privileged and spoilt to your list.

LA needs to shut up and stop making a fool of herself. She is no 'political commentator' and she needs to stop rocking up at every tragedy spouting untruths which ultimately just add to the grief and distress of the victims.

HandbagKrabby · 17/06/2017 09:38

It's obvious to anyone that the death toll is higher. It is right that the police and fire that are investigating deal with the facts but it is important the potential loss of life is acknowledged officially and it is not at the moment. The conclusions one could draw from that is no one knows who was living there, no one cared who was living there, it was massively overcrowded and no one wants to admit to it, they do know who was living there and don't want to say how many children did not come out etc. There has been no evidence that the press or the local council have any respect for the dignity of the families or survivors in any other area of this tragedy.