To hate Lily Allen

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I can't stand her. Always popping up somewhere that she's not required to put her 2 cents in. It's like her music is so shit and unpopular she's decided to just stick her oar in wherever she can now. I've never disliked anyone this strongly before (that I've never met!)

Of course they shouldn't need to but some of them have offered, haven't they?

Yes the state does need to step up but we know that's probably not going to happen. Celebs know that and still offered, so why shouldn't they follow through?

Of course they shouldn't need to but some of them have offered, haven't they?

Irrelevant whether people have offered. They should all be in proper, safe accommodation right now. There are numerous people on mumsnet who wouldn't dream of helping a stranger and it seems the norm to avoid putting yourself out for anyone, even a friend. So let's not be too critical of LA if her house is not full of survivors at the moment.

Yes the state does need to step up but we know that's probably not going to happen

Shocked that this is how people think. No, if the council doesn't house them, they need to be judicially reviewed as they owe a direct legal duty to any homeless resident in their borough. We should not shrug our shoulders and then say it's down to the celebs to sort it out. Thankfully, I believe there are numerous lawyers working pro-bono to try to secure accommodation for the survivors.

I'm not talking about a house full of survivors, though.

papa you can't be all that shocked about my thoughts on the state helping the victims. You're right they should all be in safe accommodation right now, should. Are they though? If the state won't help and celebrities are in a position to and have offered, then why am I wrong to hope they follow through with that?

The only celebs I've read about who offered roofs for the night were Lily Allen and Emma Freud and Jim Chapman offered to pay for some hotel rooms.

One person who has stepped up and put money where his mouth was was Jamie Oliver (another who gets marmite responses on here): 500 free meals served so far.

Still waiting for you to put your thread back on track with further examples of Lily's ''misspeaking'' OP.

Gin in Calais where she apologised to 'child' refugees 'on behalf of her whole country can you not. She also compared the Calais refugee situation to Hilter and Nazi propaganda.

Making offensive comments about travellers.

Attacking traditional teaching methods because she's never had to use maths or science since she left school.

Scaremongering over Brexit.

There's a few for you.

OK OP - so what have you done?

Apart from start a thread about a person in the public eye?

She's been out in the community and offered beds in her home.

You on the other hand started a vile thread and continue to misdirect your anger from where it should be.

Well watching that interview she looked genuinely upset.

Damned if you. Damned if you don't

Darth I've donate new bedding and tins of food to be delivered to the victims this Sunday via my Mum who lives in the UK. Thanks for asking.

I'm not the one who's been telling porkies and delivering false promises though

You'll have to do better than that to convince me she's worthy of the thread title, whatever hate means.

Calais - she got crucified. As it is, I think her wording was poor but can understand how overwhelmed she was in that hellhole. I never went to the jungle but many MNetters who did understood her sentiments.

Offending travellers -
The silly joke* she made in private that got sold to the tabloids.
*What do you call a hippo in a caravan? A gypo.
It's a crap joke as far as I can tell based on both words ending in o. But as most of us realise gypo is a slur, she was stupid to think it was okay to use. Unless hippo is meant to be an insult in itself. I don't really get the joke.

Education -
Context is the key. What she actually said in terms of never having used Pythagorean theorem or bunsen burners since leaving school (education minister was talking about focus on academic curriculum) was followed by: Are they teaching children about how mortgages work, national insurance or how to fill out a self assessment tax return yet?
That is a fair enough argument whether I agree with it or not: should we be addressing whether old school chalk n talk regurgitation of facts and figures is useful compared with life skills that all children, particularly the non-academic, need to know?

Brexit: Totally her right to her opinion. No different to anyone on here.

So, awfully unfunny joke aside, she expresses an opinion. Which, in a free country, we all have the right to do.

gin

As it is, I think her wording was poor so you do understand poor wording, if you read back through the thread instead of jumping in at the end you'll see my comments on where I've used the word 'hate'

joke aside, she expresses an opinion which in a free country we all have the right to do ... aaaaand that's exactly what I'm doing here, which you have quite the issue with

gin

We all have the right to free speech. Agreed. However, people often take that right incredibly lightly without accepting any of the responsibility of thinking about the implications of what you're saying first. I think that is the issue here.

I still don't really get why she decided it was a good idea to defy the police and fire fighters and start speculating publicly on numbers. It just seems like a really odd thing to do.

No issue at all. It's called debate. You said you were open to other opinions.
You have a right to your opinion which was:
I can't stand her. Always popping up somewhere that she's not required to put her 2 cents in. It's like her music is so shit and unpopular she's decided to just stick her oar in wherever she can now.
Now clearly her music is subjective. People will like it or they won't.
You disliking her music is your prerogative. You not sharing her opinions likewise. But as the old cliche goes: opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one. That you have quite the issue with her is fascinating, given that you don't know her personally.

So it wasn't unreasonable to ask which of her ''useless interviews'' or ''untruths'' you were finding so ''bloody irritating'', given that your thread is moaning about being irritated by her.

Now what I really want to know now from a pp, is why they think Keith Allen is such a cunt?

bigyellow
For the same reason the woman Amina you referred to earlier in the thread did. And the grime artist guy. They are incensed that the drip-feed effect of 17, 20, 30 does not address the scale of the preventable tragedy.
As another poster said:
By repeatedly writing 17 dead, it is skewing the scale of this preventable atrocity.

the Guardian wrote that: ''The official number of deaths has sparked anger and confusion within the local community, where people believe the true number is considerably higher.''

From that I take it that local residents were angry about the reporting.
Fwiw I personally think speculation is fruitless but I can understand the frustrations of those in limbo with little to no communication on the ground.
I think Lily and others brought it up as they are meeting people angry with the fuck ups from the council that have led to mass murder. Potentially the lack of clarity on the situation is also intolerable as they are seeing first hand people with false hope which feels cruel. (I don't subscribe to that point of view, I agree you have to go through the id protocols first, but can empathise with those that do).
As it is there are currently 30 dead and 70 missing.
And Theresa May will be remembered as the PM who avoided meeting the survivors.

Yeah and if she said 'we need a real mumber, the police need to talk to the residents', I might have had more sympathy. But she speculated and acted like she was in the know and had inside figures.

There are reasons for why the numbers aren't released yet because they don't yet know. They can't just declare people dead if there's no body.

If she could have encouraged the police to have better dialogue with the residents, instead of mouthing off, she could have helped. Instead, she's created a bigger division.

Well I think she's great if you're reading this lily.

And I think it's very very odd to focus anger on an inoffensive pop star obviously trying to help with heart firmly in the right place. Women that put their heads above the parapet get enough abuse shame on you for adding to it.

Given the reason Lily Allen spoke out I think youre being nasty. At this moment in time where I feel so fucking angry about this tragedy, Id rather listen to her than some intrusive media hound's sensationalist reporting. So what if she isnt 100 correct? She doesnt have to be. Is she somehow more obliged to be, than the media with their "facts?" . She got herself over there and she made some very good points. You, on the other hand...

Lily Allen is a jumped up prick. She went to private school, had a lovely life and has spent her adulthood trying to somehow fight it and become 'street'. Most people would give their right arm to have had her life whilst she just rebels against it.
Be interested to see where she sends her kids to school - bet it won't be the local state school.

She is irritating.

The irony.

I hate Lily Allen! She is terrible at wording things!

Well, no, I don't actually mean hate, I didn't mean hate as in hate I mean hate as in the other definition of hate that I made up, don't have a go at me for wording things badly.

She clearly has a passion for social justice. I would say it's a bit raw and she needs to learn to be a bit more measured in how she conducts herself. I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't move further into politics as she gets older. Some of her songs had political messages.

Personally I am not a fan of brash, rude and aggressive left wing media types such as Russell Brand and Eddie Izzard. I don't know if that's because I view them as a bit full of there own importance. I suspect They turn people off and lose votes.

But good on Lily for getting out there and helping.

Slightly off topic I think Jeremy Corbyn has gone up in my estimation since the disaster. I just need to be more confident about his methods of dealing with terrorism. But I suspect we are going to see a Labour landslide in the next election. I bet the Tories will try to hold on for 5 years though :(

Things I object to about posters' wording on this thread:

Leftie to equal bad
Champagne socialist to equal bad
Virtue signaller to describe anyone you don't like
Luvie to describe anyone famous who talks about social or political issues

These are lazy short cuts for people who can't be bothered to think or offer evidence. Try not to be so inflammatory and offer a proper reasoned debate.

Thanks!