To hate Lily Allen

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I can't stand her. Always popping up somewhere that she's not required to put her 2 cents in. It's like her music is so shit and unpopular she's decided to just stick her oar in wherever she can now. I've never disliked anyone this strongly before (that I've never met!)

There has been speculation that the government has asked media organisations to hide the true extent of the Grenfell Tower disaster by means of a “D-Notice”, now officially known as a DSMA-Notice, as friends and relatives grow increasingly frustrated at the lack of clarity

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2017/jun/16/grenfell-tower-fire-london-police-criminal-investigation-into-tragedy-latest-updates.

Was she just the messenger?

I actually think it's horrific that they are downplaying the death toll. Bollocks that it's about the fact that not all bodies have been identified. With most other disasters, the press often publish an overestimate and then reduce it if it turns out it's fewer than that. All the people who are missing are obviously going to be dead. By repeatedly writing 17 dead, it is skewing the scale of this preventable atrocity. I felt sick reading that email earlier up on the thread. Those poor, poor people, politely asking for help and being ignored. It's a hugely political issue and this is just the tip of a huge iceberg. We're one of the richest nations in the world and we can't even guarantee people a safe place to live. Instead, we let children burn to death because we can't be fucked to spend 5k. People need to shout about this until they are blue in the face.

I am so glad that Lily Allen and others are giving voices to the poor survivors. Otherwise they would not be heard, just like victims of other state cock-ups. Good on her and I wish more people were like her.

I live one mile from Grenfell Tower. People round here are saying the fatalities could be close to 200.

Anyone who doesn't need the publicity remain private and tasteful with the help and support they give

Who gives a fuck about being 'private and tasteful'? Why should people not express their disgust and outrage over what has happened? It's the same old, same old 'just keep it quiet' mentality. It will ensure that precisely nothing is done to prevent something like this happening again.

Dear God, her ignorance is astounding, however I do think she does genuinely care and needs to get better P.R.

papa there's expressing disgust and there's just wanting people to hear your voice but having nothing helpful to say. Yes I agree, heartbreakingly all who are still missing are most likely dead. I don't think the media can print '200 dead' and then the next day bring it down. You can't 100% confirm someone is dead until evidence is found unfortunately. Friends and family will know that their loved ones are most likely dead, but having the likes of Lily spewing it all over the news is not what you'd want to hear before you'd had it confirmed yourself?

Dear God, her ignorance is astounding

Why is she ignorant precisely? Do you not realise that the residents WANT the press to accurately report the death toll? She is highlighting the fact that for whatever bullshit reason, it is being downplayed. She is saying things that the residents are also saying.

I don't think the media can print '200 dead' and then the next day bring it down. You can't 100% confirm someone is dead until evidence is found unfortunately

Bull. I have seen them bring down death tolls several times. For example, both Nice and Berlin both had initial higher death tolls. The press does not need irrefutable evidence of death before publishing. They're not the flipping coroner's court. We're talking about disgusting rags like the DM who photograph the alleged 'culprit' whose fridge apparently sparked the blaze without official confirmation of the cause of the fire. As if they would care about whether numbers have been verified. It's pretty clear that official sources were trying to keep the numbers to a minimum.

Do you not realise that the residents WANT the press to accurately report the death toll?

But then go on to say you think they should release a higher number and then play it down again, it doesn't make sense, it wouldn't be accurate if they did that. Families know who's missing, and they'll know that they're probably lost if they are missing. As long as the families know what's happened the rest of us can wait.

I wouldnt be her biggest fan, but she is Ladbroke Grove born and raised. She is saying things that thousands of local people are thinking, but no one is listening to them.

She is totally within her rights to express her opinion - fair play to her.

Having worked for years on Latimer Road and unfortunately spent some time working with her Dad, Keith Allen, I can vouch that he is an utter cunt.

It would be fairly straightforward to say

X confirmed dead but actual figures could be in triple figures

For example

But then go on to say you think they should release a higher number and then play it down again, it doesn't make sense, it wouldn't be accurate if they did that. Families know who's missing, and they'll know that they're probably lost if they are missing. As long as the families know what's happened the rest of us can wait

What I mean is that the accurate toll is the number of people missing. I am not saying that the residents want the press to report a made up number that is then reduced. I was just using that as an example that the press don't give a crap about whether a death has been verified- they will very often report a figure even if it is later changed. But what the residents are upset about, and what Lily Allen vocalised was that the impression that is being given is that a relatively small number died when in fact it was huge. That needs to be publicised NOW, not hidden away or only communicated to the families. And the residents are not seeking privacy- they want this out in the open. Lily Allen is not staggeringly ignorant on this point at all.

Och,no. What has she ever done for anyone?

rufus it has been said that 70 have died with more deaths expected to be confirmed.

We've totally gone off topic from the point of this thread now anyway

We've totally gone off topic from the point of this thread now anyway grin

Which aspect of this holocaust is amusing to you OP?

Thre is quite a useful article in the FT by the way www.ft.com/content/33a32fec-52b3-11e7-bfb8-997009366969

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I dont even know what the title is...ive got myself in a muddle

All i know is its very very sad...devastating for so many people

Why is she ignorant precisely?

When she gave that interview almost 48hours ago, 17 was the figure that had been officially recorded as dead and the media were saying that there number would probably rise. And as Jon Snow said in the interview to her, it's going to take a while to identify them, what remains they do find.

Let's see if she really will walk the walk and offers any rooms in her house to survivors.

That seems a bit unfair woman

There have been other happy emojis on the thread

I doubt very much that the OP find this tragedy funny in any way

Let's hope for inquests rather than just a long inquiry.
People are understandably angry and Theresa May came over badly in that BBC interview. Seemingly incapable of admitting she got anything wrong.
www.bbc.com/news/uk-40298473
Oh and Saskilla needs to go on the shit list too OP if you are taking offence at Lily overestimating figures before formal id. He claims a firefighter at the scene also says 200.
skwawkbox.org/2017/06/16/video-govt-puts-d-notice-gag-on-real-grenfell-death-toll-nationalsecurity/

As for thread derailing you made it about Grenfell when you said in your OP about her ''putting her two cents in'' and confirmed on page two that her comments ''had prompted this thread'' before backpedalling furiously about how you just don't like her. Disingenuous.
If it was meant to be just a moan bitchfest then there's Sleb Twaddle or Chat. You can grin away to your heart's content there.

woman absolutely pathetic comment about the use of a grin, doesn't even warrant a response so I don't know why I'm bothering, other than to let you know that was a dick move.

gin as I and others have mentioned it's not just Grenfell she's 'put her 2 cents in' about, there's the refugees in Calais and many political issues. Not to say she shouldn't have a voice and get involved, but she's self-indulgent and has nothing helpful to add, ever.

Lily threw her hat into the ring ages ago. She didn't just pop up before the outraged OP. She supports labour and she thinks there are more than 17 folk dead (the number given yesterday). She thinks it's political. So do I.

17 confirmed dead yesterday with 100 feared dead.

Lily Allen went on the protest march this afternoon so appears to be walking the walk.
To get your thread back on point then OP please give examples other than Calais of where Lily Allen has reaped benefits of publicity while misspeaking? Why do you consider it to be misspeaking rather than giving an opinion?
What do you mean by uses her privileges to her advantage?

Let's see if she really will walk the walk and offers any rooms in her house to survivors

No. Do you not get it? No private individual should need to offer rooms in their house. The state owes a duty to these poor people and they need to rehome them immediately into safe, appropriate accommodation in the borough. Immediately. It's lovely that people are offering, but the council needs to step up.