To hate Lily Allen

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I can't stand her. Always popping up somewhere that she's not required to put her 2 cents in. It's like her music is so shit and unpopular she's decided to just stick her oar in wherever she can now. I've never disliked anyone this strongly before (that I've never met!)

I think everyone who isnt actually a psychopath felt emotion over grenfell

I've some thoughts why there is all this hate by the rightwing of someone talking about Grenfell:

1). Boris Johnson as mayor closed down 3 fire stations within 4 miles of Grenfell.
That meant reinforcements came from further away.

2). The Tories voted down an amendment by Labour in 2014 that would have made sprinkler systems mandatory for highrise blocks.
All Labour, LDem, SNP votes were in favour

Sprinkler systems have saved lives in highrise fires in other countries

3. The extra cost of fire-resistant cladding material instead of what was used was only £5,000 TOTAL That'll be about £25 per person, if we estimate 200 dead or injured.

4). Jacob Rees-Mogg, Tory MP and Brexit hardliner advocated:

Britain could slash environmental and safety standards 'a very long way' after Brexit

<a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-safety-standards-workers-rights-jacob-rees-mogg-a7459336.html" target="_blank">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-safety-standards-workers-rights-jacob-rees-mogg-a7459336.html

and that standards that were 'good enough for India' could be good enough for the UK in the future.

I don't hate any of these people, but I hate their actions.
Cutting heath & safety "red tape" costs lives and will cost more lives

I keep being reminded of the Herald of Free Enterprise disaster in 1987, where nearly 200 people died due to putting money ahead of safety precautions.
Those deaths changed attitudes, but it seems we keep having to relearn the same lesson every generation or so, as memories fade.

To me, being conservative should include caution about risk.
It used to be < grumpy old bag > before the One Nation conservatives were overwhelmed by spivs

Strange thing to get pissed off about, I don't understand the mentality at all. If I see Lily Allen on TV talking about the horiffic fire I think about the residents who had to experience this terrible thing, not how much I do or don't like LA.

This is spot on.

Strange thing to get pissed off about, I don't understand the mentality at all. If I see Lily Allen on TV talking about the horiffic fire I think about the residents who had to experience this terrible thing, not how much I do or don't like LA

People can have two different thoughts in their head at one time.

bigchoc Well, the invisible hand theory (which British conservatism is based off of) has social well-being at its heart. I really think the right wing have strayed from conservatism into out-right greed. I have no problem with people being fiscally conservative - done right, it makes sense, although it's not how I'd arrange a society. But it is not being done right - people are overcome by greed these days because they are able to hide behind corporations and overseas bank accounts.

What has Grenfell got to do with Lily Allen though? Fuck all. I don't want to hear her opinion on it and I'm not interested in anything she has to say about it, just because she's famous. Especially when she's trying to push some half baked conspiracy theory about the government trying to cover up the deaths.

It's incredibly patronising to think that the only way the residents are going to get their voices heard is through a washed up pop star who has her own agenda to push.

I'd add that the other thing that the likes of Lily Allen, Russell Brand, Charlotte Church etc are doing is getting thier followers -who are largely younger people - engaged in political issues and debate. Surely that's a good thing?

Not when it's a load of reactionary bollocks. How dare she suggest that the death toll is being covered up?? There are, rightly, protocols about reporting deaths. We all know the toll is likely to be much higher it's actually a bit mental to suggest otherwise

Considering most of what she posts on twitter is utter crap I think it's only fair she gets a lot of shit back.

Saying the police and fire service have told her that there is a cover up is the most ridiculous thing she has ever said and she has said some pretty stupid things in the past.

As if they are going to confide in little miss gobby! Also anyone with even 1 brain cell realises the numbers of dead are going to go up. No one ever said that 17 was the final number.

Maybe instead of taking the time and effort to try and identify the dead and let their next of kin know they should just tell Lily?

I LOVE Lily Allen. She's using her platform to say things that matter - I would rather read about her latest comments than TOWIE lot et al falling out of clubs

bigyellow is totally getting my point. These celebs only seem to get involved whilst the story is being highly publicised and then you hear no more from them about it in the weeks after. By all means they should get involved, petition for change, shout your views from the rooftops and demand the answers for things you know are factually true. But speculation and attention seeking helps no one at this time.

mrshoney a great example of how people can have a differing opinion and not bring politics or name calling into the mix

She lives nearby and has opened her home to victims, so I think it's fair she feels more involved than most. It's her community.

They don't know the number dead yet. I think that's the only issue. There are lists in the press. 1 died in hospital today so that took it up to 30 from 29 but could well be 70 - 100 in total. They have men on the roof today looking at how to shore up the structure so that firemen can get into the burned rooms near the top and start looking for more bodies up there.

I don't mind pop stars speaking out if they want to . Bob Geldof was another in his day. However we all know they are not experts and although it might well get young people interested in politics - a very good thing and young people are often impractical and idealistic - that is how people are at that age and nothing wrong with that - we all know not to believe what these non expert singers say. I sing pretty well (been paid etc) and that does not really give me competence to comment on area requiring structural engineering expertise.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to call out something as being in poor taste at a time of a national tragedy. I think this thread is more symptomatic of celebrity culture than anything Lily Allen is doing. No doubt you see yourself as the kind of person that tells it how it is op, so I doubt there will be any self reflection.

Really, OP...?

And what have you done for your fellow citizens..

Would rather have Lily Allen getting uppity about what is going on than some sad OP denouncing her.
Thanks.

Oh, and love that song of hers. Fuck you.

Seems rather apt on this thread.

I can't remember where I saw the meme but it was something like:

'Useless lefty celebrities: what do they know? They don't live the real world. They shouldn't comment on politics.

Bloody do-gooding metropolitan elite - what do they know about the economy - they've never had to struggle.

Out of touch idealistic politicians, what do they know about anything?

If you ask the man in the street he'll tell you he doesn't care about politics - he's just trying to get on with his own life.

Bleeding heart liberal Guardian journalists shouldn't force their lefty views on the rest of us.

That leaves me, your honest, credible hardworking Daily Mail columnist to tell you the unabridged truth about current affairs. You're very welcome '

Blimey ifly that's quite an attitude you've bought here! Can't you disagree on something without throwing around fuck yous?

I can't stand her and ignore anything she says... pointless person.

OP your a disgrace, as far as I'm concerned she has be fantastic. Honest, caring and genuine following the fire. None of us know her. Your post is rude and based on what??

Thanks to Lilly Allen the press etc are being more honest about the death toll

Actually she had more information than most as she lives in the area, has been on the ground and is hearing things first hand