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To remind you of the protest march in London on July 1st?

774 replies

explodingkittens · 15/06/2017 20:23

People's Assembly

For those of us who are sick and tired and angry and devastated.

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LakieLady · 16/06/2017 13:19

*Oh and now we have the proper Nazis joining us

Do take a seat with your friends lakie . You know there's always an upside to seeing people's real true opinions isn't there*

Oh god, there was supposed to be an angry emoticon. Sorry everyone - just pointing out that protest wasn't just the province of the left. Blush

scaryteacher · 16/06/2017 13:20

I don't know how old you are, but there have been more unstable governments, especially in the 70s iirc.

The state we are in? There are posters saying we are a wealthy country. We have stable governments, we have the rule of law, we have the courts. we have freedom of assembly. We are not bloody N Korea or Zimbabwe fgs. The UK may not be a socialist utopia, (and we've seen how well that worked out), but I don't think we are in a 'state' by any means.

Any divisions have been there for a very long time, decades before the current government, and I hadn't noticed that the incumbents from 97-2010 did much about it. I disagree that no Leadership is being offered. Just because there isn't emoting all over Downing Street, doesn't mean that there isn't plenty going on behind the scenes.

Grenfell is and will be used - how dare you not see that? It doesn't matter to some on here that different governments of all stripes can potentially be held culpable here; it will be a bash the Tory government fest.

If you can't see that we're supporting all actions and events against Theresa May's attempt at forming a Government and organising a march to that end isn't profoundly undemocratic, given the outcome of the election, then perhaps you need to question your definition of democracy. There was a democratic election; the Tories gained the most seats in the House, they form the Government. It is undemocratic in the extreme to try and stop that, which is what the march was originally about.

it would be far better, and more respectful to have a march or vigil for Grenfell at a separate date, when the building is secured and the number of fatalities are known. It seems to me that anything else is piggybacking on people's grief, and that is distasteful in the extreme. To do it later would also serve the purpose of keeping it front and centre in the public consciousness, and keeping pressure on for other blocks to be retrofitted. Otherwise, the media circus will move on and Grenfell might get pushed to the edges.

everthibkyouvebeenconned · 16/06/2017 13:25

Ha sorry lakie

WinchestersInATardis · 16/06/2017 13:26

Cheers for the heads up, OP. I'll be there :)

Deadsouls · 16/06/2017 13:27

I don't agree that it's 'profoundly undemocractic' to protest against an elected government. What does that even mean?

Deadsouls · 16/06/2017 13:31

Does that mean that if one were to protest against a government in power, (had been elected, won most seats etc), then it follows that you are ergo 'undemocratic'? Or don't believe in democracy? Because I don't actually think it's that simple of an equation. Maybe for some people, they follow that logic, but I can't see how that can possibly be true for all protesters all of the time. I mean how could anyone know that.

everthibkyouvebeenconned · 16/06/2017 13:32

scary Mrs May is supporting actions that will not help her firm a government

She is a zombie PM a caretaker it.the Tories sort their stall out. Those few words on that marches info is not why I am going. And I don't think it is in anyway a reality either. It is anti austerity march not a coup

As I have said it us not just about Grenfell. They themselves organising marches this weekend. I think it is up to them to decide what is appropriate

Which is why at the beginning of this thread I said if they felt it appropriate I would march with them

If you think May is giving this country leadership then I'm afraid you are in a minority. If you believe that the country has been far more unstable before then why worry about a march? Doesn't make sense

Deadsouls · 16/06/2017 13:35

I think maybe for some 'marches', protests, unrest is threatening in some way.

LakieLady · 16/06/2017 13:35

Lol, ever, the perils of posting while on strong painkillers. They should have a warning on the packet - "step away from the internet".

everthibkyouvebeenconned · 16/06/2017 13:38

Lakie I think you will need them for this thread!

everthibkyouvebeenconned · 16/06/2017 13:39

Dead yes it is. I was thinking about this as many find the way that other cultures express themselves threatening too (am thinking specifically about black cultures)

It's as if it doesn't compute in their view of the world so is therefore 'wrong

Deadsouls · 16/06/2017 13:43

Well I wonder about the anger expressed on this thread toward protesters and the, at times, demeaning language (or derogatory) labels; snowflake, get over it etc...so there's a anger there that motivates that kind of rhetoric. I dunno, it's interesting. And don't get me wrong, I get that the mudslinging can be two-way.

everthibkyouvebeenconned · 16/06/2017 13:44

Yes it can but it's the level of aggression and the numbers rounding on one or two posters

It's a bit odd. Makes you wonder how sad their lives are

makeourfuture · 16/06/2017 13:45

I really get a feeling that there is a groundswell of feeling that big business/banks/the wealthy have had it all their own way for far too long, while the poor and vulnerable have been dumped on from a great height. The mood of non-tories of every shade seems to have shifted to a strange mix of hope and anger, and a hunger for change.

Yes!

Deadsouls · 16/06/2017 13:46

But I noticed more of the infantilising put downs; get over it, grow up, throwing toys out the pram and similar was more prevalent after Brexit. And it's like it's become the normal insult now.

makeourfuture · 16/06/2017 13:48

Nobody voted for the DUP/Tory Coalition.

everthibkyouvebeenconned · 16/06/2017 13:50

Yes Dead I think it has.

I would say it's paternalistic it its not. It's more than that. It's patronising and controlling. It's imperialistic and jingoistic I think

frenboop · 16/06/2017 13:51

Try voting anything other than labour and admitting to it!! If you want threatening language

Cunt
Evil
Ignorant
Fuck off and die

And , from a widely shared meme on Facebook, "I'd like to fuck Theresa may with a long sharp object"

everthibkyouvebeenconned · 16/06/2017 13:51

No make they didn't

Even Tories don't want the DUP

everthibkyouvebeenconned · 16/06/2017 13:52

Fren then I suggest you weed out your friends list

I have many Tory friends. And leave friends.

frenboop · 16/06/2017 13:53

I have been. I've been weeding out anyone who shares inflammatory bollocks. From both sides.

Deadsouls · 16/06/2017 13:54

Not on Facebook so haven't seen all of those insults or meme. Mudslinging as I said both ways. I guess I've been on the receiving end of it myself.

everthibkyouvebeenconned · 16/06/2017 13:57

Don't put up with it Fren They have no right to do that at all.

I avoid Facebook. Pisses me off too much

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 16/06/2017 14:05

I would say it's paternalistic it its not. It's more than that. It's patronising and controlling. It's imperialistic and jingoistic I think

Ironically, I find the rhetoric of people shouting down & patronising posters who have spoken against the march to be all of those things.

Middle aged lady from the SW overly excited about going on a march - shouting down and assuming the backgrounds/motivations of posters who have a different pov.

Perhaps check your privilege, before you make sweeping assumptions about others.

everthibkyouvebeenconned · 16/06/2017 14:06

Thanks for joining us Faith. You have no idea where I live or whatvmy privilege is do you. Thanks for the advice

You proved my point