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Would you let your dd go to little mix concert?

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gutsywillow · 12/06/2017 14:48

Okay so my question is if you are a feminist and disagree with the sexualisation of young girls would you allow your DD to go to a little mix concert?
My cousin has offered to take my DD with her DD. My DD is 9. Would I BU to say no?
I feel uncomfortable with it, firstly I don't want to be promoting this kind of portrayal of women and how women should look, secondly its really, really crap music.
Will she grow up and think, blimey why did my mum let me go to that? I thought she was a feminist!

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PhilODox · 13/06/2017 07:20

Avamiah- no, that's not "life". You have a duty to protect your small child.from harmful material. Music videos have been hyper-sexualised for more than a decade, the last 15 years at least. Don't play MTV, etc when small children are around. it's not difficult.
So many songs these days are about bad/abusive relationships, we have stopped our tween from listening to commercial radio until she's equipped with enough nous to understand what a healthy relationship is. She's getting there, and we've had lots and lots of conversations.
I can't get my head round parents encouraging 7yos to have idols like rihanna.

WannaBe · 13/06/2017 07:35

I went with my fourteen year old DS to the summertime ball at the weekend, and said to my DP afterwards that I wonder what we would have gone to see at fourteen which my mother would have cringed at. Grin.

Reality is that music is a generational thing and that every generation before cringes at the "music of today," not least because to them, most of it is shite.

But let's not pretend that the lyrics of the music of the 70's and 80's were pure shall we? Franky goes to Hollywood anyone? "Relax, don't do it, when you wanna come through it, relax, don't do it, when you wanna cum..." and the madonna video's - let's not forget that madonna was a prostitute who turned sex into music instead, ah yeah, fine example to set.

And the words to greased lightening "the chicks'll cream......".

As for people who believe that they protect their children from lyrics by not having them on in the house, you do know that they sing them in the playground instead? And that as they get older, if the message given out is that the parents don't agree with the lyrics then the parents will purely be branded prudes. Don't listen to shite music in the house by all means, but it's subjective, just because you don't like it, doesn't mean your child isn't entitled to...

People over-think this stuff far too much. We sang along to crap music in our teens, as adults we look back and go "wow, lyrics were a bit hardcore back then, no?" Or we laugh at the radio stations who banned relax, and all the other songs which were banned by South African radio where I grew up on account of them being imoral, but not before they'd already been in the charts and we'd learned all the lyrics and sang them anyway.

Branleuse · 13/06/2017 07:39

I would be fine about my 9yr old dd seeing little mix if thats what she wanted and if we could afford it. Theyre just a pop group. I dont think they dress particularly outrageously or sing about anything particularly bad. I would draw tge line at something like nicki minaj

Ricekrispiecakes · 13/06/2017 07:48

There's nothing wrong with Little Mix is there?

They're young women enjoying fashion and a successful career.

Not pop music could be argued as unfeminist because of the lyrics and the clothes or lack of, but you can't censor everything and I don't think you should try to.

You'll only turn your dd away from feminism trying to ban things se enjoys. Let her enjoy the concert and just try to guide her to make positive decisions for herself.

Trills · 13/06/2017 07:53

I like Little Mix's music.

I think she'll have a fab time.

BigYellowJumper · 13/06/2017 08:07

wannabe there are definitely lyrics I look back at and think 'really? Damn...' lol.

But I do think there is a huge difference in the way women are portrayed as well as kids' level of access to music videos. Nowadays, it is basically every girlband who wears tiny clothes and some of the outfits are really questionable in my opinion. There is a lot of PVC and stuff which I think it a bit off for kids' entertainers to be wearing. I don't think there's anything wrong with women choosing to wear whatever they like, but when it is everywhere, it seems like it isn't a choice at all any more. Plus, as I said above, I really don't think Little Mix have any choice in what they wear.

Madonna was pretty out there, but I never saw any of those videos til I was in my 20s because we didn't have MTV. Nowadays tons of parents let their kids online without checking what they're watching.

I remember when Dirrty by Christina Aguilera came out and everyone said it was disgusting! It looks positively tame now. Everyone is competing to try to be the most sexual - but only women, not men. And there is nothing wrong with women being sexual, but there is something wrong with them being sexual objects, which sadly is how most of them are viewed. Where are the videos with guys writhing around in PVC shorts with their bums in the air?

I'm not sure how much of a difference it makes when it comes to kids, but people did see Madonna as a pioneer. She did seem like she was very in control of her image. I don't think you could say the same about Little Mix - I'm pretty sure you could take any other four young women and replace them and it wouldn't make a huge difference. Madonna was a little different. But I wouldn't have let kids see her in concert either, and I remember being mortified by Like a Virgin when I was young.

DrWhooves · 13/06/2017 08:14

Well no, she's 2

Nice drip feed there, kind of makes the issue of her going to concerts irrelevant then doesn't it?

babykite · 13/06/2017 08:54

My friends 3 year old daughter signs the words of shout out to my ex. Some of you would be horrified Grin
I would probably allow my daughter who is 10/11 to go to one of their concerts. I am 23 and I loove what they wear, I've even brought some of their outfits to wear on nights out etc.
Have we all forgotten about rihanna wanting to ride big rude boys? Hmm or holly valance who was naked in one of her videos. Unfair to give LM criticism when what they are doing has been around for years. Even 5th harmony are signing about going to their man's work place, tryng to get him horny and fired Hmm

LM's little me is a really empowering song too

babykite · 13/06/2017 08:55

That was suppose to be sings

BigYellowJumper · 13/06/2017 08:58

babykite

I don't think anyone is singling out Little Mix. I think they are talking about the industry as a whole, it just happens that the OP was about LM so they are the focus.

Plus, they are very much a kids' pop band. I would say that Rihanna is a bit more adult-oriented, although there are lots of kids who listen to her. Go to a Little Mix concert and it will be 90% kids and their parents.

CrazedZombie · 13/06/2017 09:02

As a feminist I think you need to allow your dd to form her own opinion on LM. She may love them now but in 10 years time might cringe at her musical taste.

I've been to a LM concert. They sound great without auto tune and were energetically dancing until the end.

I'd stop a 9 year old attending Miley Cyrus the way she was 5 years ago. (She's currently trying to rebrand with a more wholesome image) but Is expect an adult rating with that one.

thereallochnessmonster · 13/06/2017 09:07

I would probably allow my daughter who is 10/11 to go to one of their concerts. I am 23

Is that a typo, Babykite?

BigYellowJumper · 13/06/2017 09:09

thereal I think she meant a hypothetical daughter, like if she had a 10/11 year old daughter, she'd let them go at that age.

CrazedZombie · 13/06/2017 09:10

As for the skimpy outfits- they are probably told what to wear by management which will be controlling as they are reality show winners. They dance for hours under bright lights so skimpy outfits may be more comfortable. Don't forget that they will be encouraged to dress sexily because women are usually forced to do that to attract magazine inches.

In real life I bet they are jeans and tshirts like the rest of us.

And I'm not a LM fan club member😂

BertrandRussell · 13/06/2017 09:13

"As for the skimpy outfits- they are probably told what to wear by management which will be controlling as they are reality show winners"

That is rather the point............

babykite · 13/06/2017 09:30

Yeah my hypothetical daughter of ten years old, she's only 4 months right now

NoahPinnyon · 13/06/2017 10:50

Here's the puppet master in his trousers and shirt stood next to scantily clad women. It's the likes of Cowell who want women dressed like this, not their young fans.

Would you let your dd go to little mix concert?
Ficklemarket · 13/06/2017 11:11

Seen a lot skimpier.

Tenshidarkangel · 13/06/2017 11:27

These women are aimed at tweens but dress in highly provocative clothing, I understand women can wear what they like but as there demographic audience are mostly under 15 (not adults) so can not copy their idols style. They dress no better than a women in a gentlemans club.

Slut shaming right there.

Just a heads up for those but the definition of feminism:
"the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes."
Some of the comments here... ugh...

waitforitfdear · 13/06/2017 11:33

What's a gentlemans club? Grin

Agree WannaBe it was ever thus. My dad was horrified at Boy George.

To be honest my teen dds love that bore Ed Sheehan and if I hear about by his grandparents wedding again I might scream. Bring on little m at least it's a fun dance tune.

StressedMover · 13/06/2017 11:39

Took my then 9 year old to see them last Easter. There audience is from about 7-14 year olds. Nothing inappropriate, although this was before 'shout to my ex'. To be fair my daughter laughs at their clothing choice GrinThey were great!

CinderellaRockefeller · 13/06/2017 21:30

Is it really prudish and anti-feminist to not want my 8 year old to not sing explicitly about faking orgasms? It's not innuendo or subtle.

I don't care if they sing it, that is their choice. I love Rihanna and loved her s&m song. Doesn't mean it's appropriate for my dd to listen to. There might be lots of stuff she hears a bit in the playground - don't need to re-enforce it at home.

RiverTam · 13/06/2017 21:50

Ten, well, a lot of feminists would say that feminism is about not just equality but also liberation from the patriarchy. Within that, dressing like a stereotypical male sexual fantasy, regardless of your audience (though it's odd, to say the least, if your audience is young girls) is hardly liberating.

Interestingly, my 7yo DD was watching a couple of One Direction videos, and I'm pretty sure none of the boys were dressed in anything other than fairly normal clothes. Girls wear skimpy gear, boys wear clothes. Not equal, not liberating - so surely not very feminist? (I'm just talking about appearance here, I've not yet been obliged to pay much attention to lyrics as yet.)

BertrandRussell · 13/06/2017 22:03

"To be fair my daughter laughs at their clothing choice"
Do you think that's a good thing?

BertrandRussell · 13/06/2017 22:04

Absolutely, RiverTam.

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