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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To be a bit upset with my friends?

154 replies

Madammim17 · 11/06/2017 16:43

Fully prepared to be told that I'm being over sensitive here but I just need some perspective really.

I'm the first one in my friendship group to have a baby; DS who is a little over a year old. I'm also a single mum and the father is not involved. My friends have been an excellent source of support and, until recently, I couldn't fault them for anything.
They're great with my son and have been massively supportive and helpful towards me. However, over the last few months, things have started to change and I'm now struggling to not feel upset about it.

My friends and I are all in a group chat so that it takes just two seconds to let everyone know if something's happening and we can meet etc. I choose my occasions wisely and obviously specific events such as a birthday would take priority over a night down the pub, and anything overnight is a no no, so naturally I'm fine with missing out on things in those circumstances. Plus we all quite enjoy nights in with board games and movies etc so there's been plenty of nights in at mine when the baby is asleep so I've been lucky in still being able to have a social life and such. But recently I've stopped being invited to a lot of things, and not the usual Friday night down the pub things but daytime events that there isn't really any reason to not invite me to, aside from they just don't want me there. The latest being on the bank holiday weekend, on the Saturday we were at a friend's birthday and those of us who were available agreed to do something on the Sunday. I sent a couple of messages to ask what people felt like doing and received no reply, only to later find out that they'd all 'coincidentally' bumped into each other on the way to get their cars and decided to go to a nearby town (ten minute drive) for lunch and it was all very last minute etc, and they didn't seem to see the problem that I had effectively been left sat at home wondering why nobody was answering me.

I know it probably sounds pathetic but it's happening with more and more frequency; when I'm at things, they don't really treat me any differently to how they always have so I don't really understand it. When it comes to events, I would suggest something like going to the cinema or for lunch or a picnic, nobody will reply except my best friend who is the only one who isn't doing any of this, but when somebody mentions anything else they'll reply even if it's just to say no. Or it'll be a case of where everyone will suggest something and they'll all agree to the thing I can't go to, which again is fine on occasions but it's nearly every time now and it's just starting to feel a bit unfair. I've mentioned it a little bit and have just been met with comments that I'm overreacting or that it's not true and because they all say that, I don't know what to think anymore.

I appreciate they're all young and without commitments and that I'm the one with the baby so essentially it's my problem and I swear that most of the time, it really hasn't bothered me, but it's just building up now and I can't help but feel really upset and left out, and actually quite hurt especially because they've been so great up until now. I'm usually an assertive and confident person in these situations but this has really made me feel vulnerable and lacking in confidence. My best friend is moving away in September, only London but it's still quite far and I'm just dreading what things will be like. So AIBU?

Sorry this is so long, but any advice or kicks up the ass would be great.

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TriniRedVelvet · 12/06/2017 17:42

My only input here is that, no matter how much we promise ourselves it won't happen, having children changes our lives and sadly that includes friendships, especially when the others do not have any. It hurts, I know. But it's just something you may have to acknowledge and accept. Flowers

Maireadplastic · 12/06/2017 17:48

Sorry, OP. This happens. Sometimes they come back and sometimes they don't. It feels hard and mean.

ElleMcElle · 12/06/2017 17:54

Oh OP - this is rough and I completely understand you feeling upset. It doesn't sound like anything you've done wrong - just a gradual drifting away as your circumstances have changed.

If you're in your mid/late 20s, it won't probably won't be long before other members of the friendship group start to have children of their own - and at that stage, the dynamics will change once again. If the friendships are strong enough and you've managed to stay in touch - they'll bounce back in a new way when more of you are on the same page again.

Maireadplastic · 12/06/2017 17:55

I'd add that I, too, was the first of my friends to get pregnant. I was in a fledgling relationship so it a shock, unplanned but still good. I was invited to a friend's house shortly after I went public and the two friends present who I've known for most of my life proceeded to talk about 'moany pregnant women at work' and how much they wanted to enjoy nice furniture and cream carpets for a few more years before children trash it all. I was meant to stay overnight- I called a cab home.

15 years and three sons later, I'm happy as Larry, we are still friends but never as close as we were once. I have made plenty of other wonderful friends since.

RhiWrites · 12/06/2017 18:01

OP, you said they used to be brilliantly supportive. But not something has changed. I'm going to believe you on this and suggest

  • could be that toddlers or small children are different / more difficult than babies
  • could be they thought you took them for granted or felt they'd been too accommodating in the past
  • could be that they want to be spontaneous in a way you can't be (do you really thing they deliberately ditched you that time they happened to meet by their cars)
piesinmyeyes · 12/06/2017 18:38

What WalterMittey says. You keep saying you don't assume but what are you doing then? asking if its ok to bring him?

bluejelly · 12/06/2017 18:58

The same thing happened to me.
I was the first in my group to have a baby, and a single mum too. My friends rallied round at the beginning, but then started to drift. I was so hurt and it all came out one night. They missed the old me, and I had changed.
After some heartache I found new friends via my daughter's school who were more on my level.
Roll on a few years my original group have all got young kids and mine is a teenager.
We get on great and individually they have all said sorry to me for not properly understanding my predicament.
Having a kid is such a profound experience- no surprise that the dynamic changes. I'm sure in time it will all balance out for you too.
And Flowers to you for being a full-time working single mum. It's a tough gig in the early years but gets so much easier as they get older.

jocarter67 · 12/06/2017 19:06

Madammim17 Could it possibly be that they are worried you can't afford it? It is pretty mean of them.i believe you would completely understand if someone told you it's not suitable to bring your baby but just to go behind your back isn't nice

sparkleandsunshine · 12/06/2017 19:25

Can you think of anything they might not like that has popped up in conversation? Not just talking about your son (which they might not be able to relate to) but I know a mummy who doesn't understand why she has lost her group of friends, but since she has had her son she's fixated on criticising other parenting, and she keeps telling people who don't have kids "you can't understand until you've had kids". She can't understand why they don't wanna hang out with her, but that one comment has really pissed one of the girls off and the rest of the group sided with her

MafiaMoll · 12/06/2017 19:59

I'm sorry this is happening. No matter what happens with them, it sounds like you do need some mum friends... have you tried an app like Mush www.letsmush.com

Madammim17 · 12/06/2017 20:08

Thanks everyone for your comments snd to those sharing their experiences.

I do ask most of the time although when it's obvious that taking DS is gonna be problematic/not appropriate then I just rule myself out. I'm guessing I'm gonna be told that neither of those things are right either.

I don't feel like I've taken them for granted or anything like that or that I've said anything that could lead to anything like this. There's been no obvious row or fall out, they just aren't including me and keep maxing excuses for it. In regards to them meeting up when collecting their cars etc, I don't know what happened, all I know is that we had agreed to meet up after deciding what to do and somehow they all managed to do it without me whilst I tried to contact them to find out what the plan was. I don't know what else I'm supposed to think about it really.

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Maireadplastic · 12/06/2017 20:17

It sounds like you are doing all the right things....for them. I would try to find extra friends who are in your new phase. A lot of your 'old' friends will catch up with you and will no doubt look to you for advice and wisdom. That's life.

manicmij · 12/06/2017 20:22

No matter how you may feel you are different from your friends by having a child. Conversations may be stilted as they will be able to act spontaneously whilst you will have to consider child. Accept your world is different, find some friends who have children as they will probably only to keen to have company even with children about.

altiara · 12/06/2017 21:41

Sounds tough. I don't know why they're not responding to your suggestions of going out. I can only suggest you don't ask about bringing baby along and maybe send a "anyone free on X night as I have a babysitter and want to let my hair down" message?
Or are they all in couples and you're not?
Or it could just be they do make a lot of last minute plans and forget you as you're no longer a core member of the group but don't get why they dont put it on the what's app group or why they don't respond to you.
Hope you can make some other friends in the same position. Flowers

SteppingOnToes · 12/06/2017 21:42

From the other side - I am the last one left who is childless and I get left out. It's just life sadly and people change and so do priorities :( It's hard being the only outsider :(

emmakc1977 · 12/06/2017 21:56

I have three kids. I personally hate going out with people with babies and toddlers as they are a pain in the butt! They cry, run around, puke, poo and interrupt. I don't blame your friends tbh as I find it pain with friends that have babies (before I had kids and now). The only time I didn't mind was when mine were that age so was putting up with my own! I was also much less tolerant before I had my own. Sorry to be brutal but just being honest!

smileyfacechocolatebutton · 12/06/2017 22:26

I'm really sorry you're having a hard time OP and for the blunt, harsh, unsympathetic responses you're getting on here. Being a single mum is hard, being a sole parent is much harder and lonely on top. Yes, your mates are in a different position and place in their lives but it still hurts when they drop or exclude you.

When the other parent has no contact (and no-one chooses or plans this, becoming a sole parent can happen to any of the smug posters on here), you don't fit in anywhere; single parents have every other weekend free to plan 'adult' get togethers or dates, single child-free friends plan expensive outings months in advance that you can't commit to; and couple parents see weekends as family time. It's really difficult and there's no easy answer but you have my sympathy and I hope things get easier for you xx

FritzDonovan · 12/06/2017 22:30

I don't think it's excused by them just 'assuming' I can't do something, which in itself is unfair in my opinion.
Well, if you haven't done anything to annoy anyone, or similar, the only other real reason is they're just not wanting to see you/your dc. They can't be bothered to put in any extra effort, don't want to talk about kids, and don't want to actually tell you that you're now a peripheral friend. As pp said, when you can't make many things you tend to stop getting invited. They don't feel as close to you and maybe are not bothered about catching up with you because there are loads of them available to do stuff at the drop of a hat anyway. Yes, it's horrible and unfair, but it happens because ppl are self centred, so you're going to have to accept it and move on graciously without nagging them.

CouldntMakeThisShitUp · 12/06/2017 22:33

i can understand you don't know how to or feel comfortable raising the subject.

so how about trying to pre-empt them with some humour, you text them along the lines of "Mum's off duty on X day/time cue smiley faces who fancies a night out/trip to cinema/lunch' etc?

The first of my friends to become a mum did this i wrote the text and sent it before i told her.
She wouldn't do it herself - mixture of low confidence, feeling upset, self pity, pride, fear that she would lose her friends by 'making it an issue'...and also defensiveness.
Her dc wasn't the problem (she knew that) but still she felt like she had to 'stand up for him' somehow. Not rational i know but hey, that's feelings/emotions for you Grin

Those of your friends who do reply to that message - great.
Those who can't/won't treat you with even the basic courtesy of replying - well you don't need to contact them anymore.

I'm an elder sibling to 7 (and now an auntie to many) and have always been surrounded by kids (probably what puts me off having my own Grin )
So what you're experiencing right now is very familiar to me....and i can honestly say that this milestone is a blessing in disguise.
You will be upset at the changing dynamics - but it will show you who your real friends are and who's worth keeping in your life.
You don't have time or energy to waste on rude/flakey people.

Madammim17 · 13/06/2017 07:58

Thanks again everybody for your comments and advice.

Thank you smileyfacechocolatebutton that's kind of you to say.

couldntmakethisshitup normally I would be fine with bringing it up but cos my last attempt was met with some bewilderment and denial, I'm reluctant to do it again as it feels like it will just go in a circle. It's really hard because when we're together, with or without my son, it's great so I think because that aspect hasn't changed, it's making it even harder and I think I am starting to feel a bit like your friend did. Your suggestion is a good one though so I guess I'll try it, thank you.

Only two are in a relationship and their partners regularly spend time with the group, we all work standard hours and such so there isn't anything else causing an issue as far as I can tell. I'm not someone who needs company all the time, I have plenty of interests and I'm quite content in my own company but that doesn't mean I don't need or want my friends in my life like any other person does; just wish that if it something to do with my son, they'd just tell me instead of just shoving me out and not acting like they are.

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Waltermittythesequel · 13/06/2017 08:44

The meet up at the cars thing was not on though, OP! Whether you're the only parent or not.

Madammim17 · 13/06/2017 10:37

Waltermittythesequel I know, that's what I mean about them using the excuse of it being last minute for everything even when it's not, or if it turns into an extended thing. If they decided then and there to go for lunch, they could have just me know seeing as I was waiting to hear from them regarding plans, so yeah I do feel that incident was really unfair, baby or no baby.

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Waltermittythesequel · 13/06/2017 10:46

Perhaps you should speak to one of them about that particular incident, just question why nobody thought to even text you.

It sounds very deliberate so there's a reason for it.

In the meantime, however, I would definitely concentrate on making some mum friends. I know and understand what you're saying about baby groups and about still being you, but having a friend or two who understand the daily grind is valuable!

Cuppaoftea · 13/06/2017 10:57

Hard though it is you need to take the hint and leave it be.

Noone is going to say 'we don't want your DS there' and you shouldn't try and force them to, it won't help anything.

Fab018 · 13/06/2017 11:59

I'd be a little hurt also Madammim17, your friends could at least have a conversation with you and be honest. Then I'm sure you would respect their wishes, (whatever they would be) but meeting behind your back it just hurtful.

Perhaps try talking to your friends, see what they say?

I should mention I'm not a mum, but have plenty of mum friends, and would/do happily go to theirs to catch up because I appreciate how difficult it is at times for them to get out.