To think it's a bit pathetic to start a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition and the losing team should just accept it?

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So now there's a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition!

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-results-dup-conservative-theresa-may-petition-deal-northern-ireland-a7783021.html

Why can people (generally left wing) not accept democratic decisions in this country? Labour LOST. Do people not get that? May might need to go into Coalition with the DUP to form a Government as she was 8 seats short of a majority, but she still got over FIFTY SEATS more than Corbyn. And Sturgeon slagging off Theresa May can pipe down too. SNP lost over 20 SEATS, (that went mostly to Conservative!!!) So she has no right to be up on the moral high ground!

Moreover, the whingeing left-wingers would not be moaning and griping if Labour had gone into a coalition with the DUP. It's a case of May can do no right in the eyes of some.

It was the same with the EU referendum. We're not happy with the democratic result of the people, so we will start a petition! And then it turned out 10's of 1000's of signatures were fake!

Why can people not just accept the result? Let's face it, if Corbyn had won, the people who aren't so keen on him would have sucked it up!

And also, let's not kid ourselves; Corbyn got many of his votes by promising the world on a plate, you name it, he was going to deliver it. Free this, free that, benefits for everyone, free uni fees, free school meals, bedroom tax gone, ESA assessments gone, benefit cap gone. Baby unicorns, and a million pounds for everyone!

No WAY would he have been able to deliver what he was promising, and many people know that.

Then after 5 years of undoing EVERYTHING the Conservatives have done, the economy would be screwed, Conservatives would have got back in, and they would have had to spend five years sorting it out. Leaving us in a worse position than we are in now. Do people not get that? Are they so blindsided by this ruggedly handsome urban hero promising the world, that they can't see what a monumental fuck up he would have made of the economy?

I think the young were entranced by him, as he became an urban hero, and was engaging and charming and likeable, whilst May was awkward and stiff. Anyone who said anything against Corbyn, and showed support for May was lambasted.

This ludicrous petition is not going to change anything. Conservatives won. They are going to go into a coalition with the DUP. May is not going to resign. Deal with it.

" What about no-one addressing the fact that many Muslims do not believe in gay marriage and abortion etc, or many other religions. Nothing on that except 'well THEY are not politicians are they?'"

Happy to address it. What would you like me to say?

Edmondcleverclogs

Completely agree with you. I would have been more than happy for Torys to lead. But can assure you so many wouldn't!!!

FloralTribute Sat 10-Jun-17 13:52:08
"The Muslim comparison would only work if the fourth-largest H of C party were called The Conservative Muslim Party and campaigned on a platform of banning abortion and same-sex marriage."

This. I don't seem to have seen this party about.

This is a goady thread.
Nobody won the election. If they did we wouldn't have a hung parliament.

But id be willing to say most people who voted conservative did not vote for policies like creationism in school, anti lgbt rights, forcing women to continue pregnancies.

It's not just left leaning voters who are appalled at the idea of a set of right wing religious bigots holding the balance of power. Many centre right voters are equally annoyed.

But if you're thrilled about a party hating women's rights, hating lgbt rights, anti science, anti evolution etc then I'm very glad most Tory voters I know are not like you.

ODFOD

YANBU, OP.

It's just sanctimonious Labour voters creating a fuss yet again. They thankfully lost, they need to get the fuck over it.

I am fascinated by this assumption that anyone who is even slightly to the Left politically will put up with anything so long as a Muslim does it. I wonder what would happen if we ended up with a Muslim Tory prime minister. Our heads would probably explode.

Melao, oh I'm not exactly happy about it, more thinking it's their mess to clean up. I hope our country gets through this Brexit nonsense as painlessly as possible, but if the Tories mess up, well I'm sure they'll have even less seats next election. A part of me thinks May deliberately made a hash of this one so she could let Labour be blamed for any fallout if it all went to shit.

I'm betting the OP has never heard of the DUP before yesterday and it's hilarious that it's the big bad Nicola Sturgeon fault. If May can't deal with Nicola mentioning indyref2 then how on earth will she be able to deal with brexit?

What about no-one addressing the fact that many children do not believe in Santa Clause? Nothing on that except "well THEY are not politicians are they?"

WhatToDoAboutThis2017, wow, lots more Labour voters out there than I thought - some seem to be part of the Tory party as well, who knew!

whattodo am I right to assume you know nothing about NI and the GFA?

The people who fail to understand democracy are those who attempt to stifle debate. Drawing these lines and reducing it to the concept of a 'losing team' shows a woeful, hopeless level of ignorance. Writing petitions, going in protests and letting the government know what you think is an integral, essential element of democracy. It goes to the heart of what democracy means. If you view it as some kind of team sport and imagine it's like a football match where you can't contest the result after the final whistle goes, you are utterly and completely misunderstanding our whole political system. It's wearying explaining this time and time and time again to those who froth with indignation every time people speak out against the government. If you don't support people's right to do that, what kind of society do you want to live in?

It's crucial that the government is challenged- all the time. By the opposition and by the electorate. No one voted in a Tory-DUP partnership and the government need to see the strength of feeling that exists about it. It doesn't mean it won't happen; it means we are voicing our opinion. The day people stop doing that or are prevented from doing that is the day our democracy dies. Do you get that?

Labour voter here, I assumed the petition is mostly being signed by horrified conservatives. I personally think by going into effective 'coalition' the nasty party have shown their true colours.

I'm looking forward to my party opposing them from a position of greater strength.

Plenty of Tory voters are also appalled at May getting in to bed with a homophobic, anti choice, creationist party. It's not just us lefties.

So why are remainers so hell bent on the EU.

Take a look at Polands government at the moment. Look at their stance on abortion.

The Slovenian people voted 2 to 1 (in other words two thirds of the population) to ban gay marriage.

Homophobia and sexism and racism are rife in many EU countries, one third of Austrians voted for an extreme right wing party. The national front got 10% of the vote in France.

Why oh why do so many people want to stay in bed with the EU.

@maleo Well maybe not intentionally caused by Corbynites, but a consequence of their voting was that we had a hung parliament! But everyone entitled to their vote, so who am I to complain.

Accept May also screwed up by having. election. But those complaining now would most likely complain if no election were held and we just had to accept Tory leading Brexit!

Exactly. No matter what MAY had done, it would not have been right in the eyes of the left wing.

And people have been saying stuff like 'we never voted for the DUP to be in power etc...' But if Corbyn had got in, he would have brought in the libdems and SNP. Hardly anyone voted for them either!

I am not over the moon about the DUP either, but it's happening. Deal with it. CONSERVATIVES won. There is nothing you can do about it.

Wanna win next time? Start a petition to get rid of Corbyn. He's a liability, and is the reason Labour LOST.

Many people who voted Tory would have voted Labour if he had not been the leader. Now THAT is a fact. Don't deny it. Please.

You can slag me off as much as you like, call me stupid, incompetent, a troll, goady, angry, say I have never even heard of the DUP before, blah blah blah, but it's changing fuck-all............. Conservatives are going to form a Government with the DUP. End of.

As I said, want Labour to win next time? GET RID OF CORBYN.

Well said captain.

Sadly people don't get that. It's like people saying we don't want a hard Brexit are just "remoaners" who need to get over the result. Last time I checked we had a referendum on Europe decades ago and some Brexiters never stopped complaining for decades, which is how we got the referendum.

Democracy is more than voting. It's about holding the government to account and in a system where not all votes are equal keeping public pressure on politicians is essential.

Maid I am no expert on the GFA but I would have thought that by asking the DUP to support her govt she'd be ignoring the GFA which explicitly states that the UK government takes a neutral approach to NI. She just cannot claim to be abiding by this if she forms alliance with DUP. I expect a lot will be written on this in coming days.

Unless your Muslim friends are taking up seats as MPs that's a bit on a non sequitur

Er, I really don't like this line of discussion but I do have to point out that the Labour Party has had 12 muslim MPs as of this election.

Personally I don't see people's beliefs as stopping them doing their job of representing their constituents' views and proposing/scrutinising legislation, although it may colour their voting on matters of conscience. Still let's move on from that point.

The DUP represent the views of their constituents legitimately whether we like their positions or not. They are not some bunch of outsiders whose "legitimacy" is subject to how acceptable we think they are, they are members of parliament, already perfectly entitled to be voting in parliament because their constituencies returned them.

Also I am getting the impression Corbynites think that being endorsed by terrorists makes you an unfit person for parliament whilst simultaneously believing that Corbyn/McD's history is just fine. That seems really odd.

What a goady goady thread.

The difference, FreeNiki is that the Slovenian government does not get to vote in the British Parliament. Their chances of pushing through homophobic or anti-abortion laws in the UK are pretty well zero. They are not going to attempt it, they have no interest in doing it, and they have no power to do it. The DUP otoh do have an agenda which they want to push through in this country and they will now be in a position to force the PM's hand.

CONSERVATIVES won

No, CONSERVATIVES didn't get a majority. That's not winning genius. They did have more seats that meant it was easier to make a coalition, but that's not winning. You seem to be a bit uneducated about all this, and there's no greater fool than one who speaks with knowledge they don't possess.

Er, I really don't like this line of discussion but I do have to point out that the Labour Party has had 12 muslim MPs as of this election.

The OP was talking specifically about her alleged Muslim friends who are against gay marriage, not about Muslims in general.