To think it's a bit pathetic to start a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition and the losing team should just accept it?

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So now there's a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition!

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-results-dup-conservative-theresa-may-petition-deal-northern-ireland-a7783021.html

Why can people (generally left wing) not accept democratic decisions in this country? Labour LOST. Do people not get that? May might need to go into Coalition with the DUP to form a Government as she was 8 seats short of a majority, but she still got over FIFTY SEATS more than Corbyn. And Sturgeon slagging off Theresa May can pipe down too. SNP lost over 20 SEATS, (that went mostly to Conservative!!!) So she has no right to be up on the moral high ground!

Moreover, the whingeing left-wingers would not be moaning and griping if Labour had gone into a coalition with the DUP. It's a case of May can do no right in the eyes of some.

It was the same with the EU referendum. We're not happy with the democratic result of the people, so we will start a petition! And then it turned out 10's of 1000's of signatures were fake!

Why can people not just accept the result? Let's face it, if Corbyn had won, the people who aren't so keen on him would have sucked it up!

And also, let's not kid ourselves; Corbyn got many of his votes by promising the world on a plate, you name it, he was going to deliver it. Free this, free that, benefits for everyone, free uni fees, free school meals, bedroom tax gone, ESA assessments gone, benefit cap gone. Baby unicorns, and a million pounds for everyone!

No WAY would he have been able to deliver what he was promising, and many people know that.

Then after 5 years of undoing EVERYTHING the Conservatives have done, the economy would be screwed, Conservatives would have got back in, and they would have had to spend five years sorting it out. Leaving us in a worse position than we are in now. Do people not get that? Are they so blindsided by this ruggedly handsome urban hero promising the world, that they can't see what a monumental fuck up he would have made of the economy?

I think the young were entranced by him, as he became an urban hero, and was engaging and charming and likeable, whilst May was awkward and stiff. Anyone who said anything against Corbyn, and showed support for May was lambasted.

This ludicrous petition is not going to change anything. Conservatives won. They are going to go into a coalition with the DUP. May is not going to resign. Deal with it.

"That Nicola was mean to me and made me do it"

For fuck's sake.

metspengler you misunderstand my point. What Ravens friends believe is absolutely NOTHING to do with having religious extremism in parliament.

I know a Muslim MP. She is not anti-homosexual

Also I am getting the impression Corbynites think that being endorsed by terrorists makes you an unfit person for parliament whilst simultaneously believing that Corbyn/McD's history is just fine. That seems really odd.

Oh come now. Surely what's really odd are those members of the Establishment who have been utterly obsessed with Corbyn's links to terrorism and how that makes him wholly unsuited to a position of leadership now having absolutely no issue whatsoever with DUP terrorist associations.

I find it hilarious that the OP is blaming everyone except Theresa May for the election result. Not enough people voted for her because they didn't want the conservatives in power. That is her fault and no one else's.

People voted for other parties. Get over it and stop blaming everyone but May and the conservatives.

The goadyfuckery is strong in this one.

It's pretty obvious then that the op simply does not understand the situation in NI.

Being ignorant is not a problem, one can listen and read and learn. Being wilfully ignorant is nothing to be proud of. It's quite the opposite.

The more right wing a person is the more Muslim/black/gay friends they seem to have......

This is being widely circulated on social media. A section of the GFA:

Yup, it's that rigorous impartiality bit that is going to be a bit difficult to maintain if the government depends on one side in order to push their own bills through Parliament.

I'd like those links, Pag.

I'm a left voter. I always vote Lab, even when I prefer Lib Dem's manifesto because where I live Lib Dem don't stand a chance. Ukip always do better than Lib Dem. I vote to keep the Tories out.

I was happy with the election results. I'd have been very happy for another ConDem coalition with the Lib Dems making sure we didn't hard brexit or brexit with no deal because I can't see either of those options doing anything but ruin our economy.

I'll admit the NI peace agreement was before my time. I was a toddler when it happened. It's complicated and not something I really understand. I also had no clue who the DUP were until the election.

I was a bit but generally nonplussed when TM announced she'd be getting into bed with DUP. I found their manifesto to be disgusting but believed they'd put the brakes on a hard brexit and hard border in NI, so was pretty much okay with it.

Since hearing mumblings about it possibly jepordising peace agreements in Ireland, I'm becoming increasingly less about it.

I don't for a second think the DUP will given enough power to infringe any of our rights but I do worry for Ireland and would possibly sign the petition based on that.

FreeNiki. Well said. & so true.
But your post will go largely ignored by the people on this thread. Which is typical.

FreeNiki- I don't actually understand your post. Do the 10% of LePen voters in France have any influence over the UK government?

surfer Nikki's post makes no sense at all.

Having the DUP in a working agreement with the government of the UK is in no way comparible to being part of the same organisation as Slovenia. Or a country where 10% voted for Le Pen.

surferjet, perhaps if FreeNiki had put a bit more effort into explaining how those EU member states that are misogynistic and homophobic and racist are going to be able to push their legislation through a British parliament, we might have seen the force of her argument a bit better. As it is, I see a big difference between being in an economic union with other independent states and forming a coalition government with someone.

I'm not ignoring FreeNiki: I am waiting for her to explain how Slovenia are going to introduce new legislation on abortion or gay marriages in the UK.

I'm not ignoring FreeNiki: I am waiting for her to explain how Slovenia are going to introduce new legislation on abortion or gay marriages in the UK.

Yes I'd be interested to hear that too.

well exactly

What corythatwas said. I'm very interested in what freeniki has to say about it as perhaps she knows something I don't.

This is quite good to give context and is neutral in terms of party politics

But if Corbyn had got in, he would have brought in the libdems and SNP. hardly anyone voted for them either!

I wouldn't have been thrilled with this solution at all. However, neither of these parties are homophobic, antiabortionist and bigoted creationists. A coalition with neither the SNP nor the libdems would not tip the balance of power in another country IE Northern Ireland and give a very real possibility of the NI peace agreement into jeopardy.

I don't know if you're old enough to remember what it was like before the peace agreement. I do and it was dire. I think we've got enough terrorism around at the moment. Thank you.

So I exercised my constitutional right and signed the petition before I read your thread. But thank you for creating an advertisement for it on mumsnet .

Funny how Mrs May's two closest aides have resigned. Someone needs to tell them that they needn't have bothered, it was all Nicola Sturgeon's fault.

Thanks, Pag. That's very helpful.

surfer, in really sick of this "...yeah? Well...so's YOUR FACE!!1!1!!!" approach to political arguments I keep seeing at the moment. I can't understand how the presence of some racist or homophobic people within the EU somehow means that people with pro-EU opinions cannot express disapproval of homophobic racists in the U.K. government. It is a very strange race to the bottom, to be so determined to portray the left wing and/or Remainers as hypocritical. I want to remain in the EU, not because I think everything about it is perfect, but because to leave will bring about disaster for all of us. That does not in any way negate my horror at the prospect of power in this country being handed to bigots who oppose abortion and same sec marriage.

The point is - & it's not a difficult one to understand - you're more than happy to be in a union with homophobic racists, so long you get something out of it?

Europe is far more racist than the UK, but you totally ignore that. Have you heard of the Austrian Freedom party? Do you know how popular they are? I don't think posters on here have a clue about Europe tbh.
And so what if the DUP are anti abortion & anti gay marriage? Not everyone has to agree with you.

"The point is - & it's not a difficult one to understand - you're more than happy to be in a union with homophobic racists, so long you get something out of it? "

Sorry-still don' t understand. Where is the parallel?