To think it's a bit pathetic to start a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition and the losing team should just accept it?

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So now there's a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition!

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-results-dup-conservative-theresa-may-petition-deal-northern-ireland-a7783021.html

Why can people (generally left wing) not accept democratic decisions in this country? Labour LOST. Do people not get that? May might need to go into Coalition with the DUP to form a Government as she was 8 seats short of a majority, but she still got over FIFTY SEATS more than Corbyn. And Sturgeon slagging off Theresa May can pipe down too. SNP lost over 20 SEATS, (that went mostly to Conservative!!!) So she has no right to be up on the moral high ground!

Moreover, the whingeing left-wingers would not be moaning and griping if Labour had gone into a coalition with the DUP. It's a case of May can do no right in the eyes of some.

It was the same with the EU referendum. We're not happy with the democratic result of the people, so we will start a petition! And then it turned out 10's of 1000's of signatures were fake!

Why can people not just accept the result? Let's face it, if Corbyn had won, the people who aren't so keen on him would have sucked it up!

And also, let's not kid ourselves; Corbyn got many of his votes by promising the world on a plate, you name it, he was going to deliver it. Free this, free that, benefits for everyone, free uni fees, free school meals, bedroom tax gone, ESA assessments gone, benefit cap gone. Baby unicorns, and a million pounds for everyone!

No WAY would he have been able to deliver what he was promising, and many people know that.

Then after 5 years of undoing EVERYTHING the Conservatives have done, the economy would be screwed, Conservatives would have got back in, and they would have had to spend five years sorting it out. Leaving us in a worse position than we are in now. Do people not get that? Are they so blindsided by this ruggedly handsome urban hero promising the world, that they can't see what a monumental fuck up he would have made of the economy?

I think the young were entranced by him, as he became an urban hero, and was engaging and charming and likeable, whilst May was awkward and stiff. Anyone who said anything against Corbyn, and showed support for May was lambasted.

This ludicrous petition is not going to change anything. Conservatives won. They are going to go into a coalition with the DUP. May is not going to resign. Deal with it.

Corbynites did not cause this coalition you prat!

I'd be fucking fuming if Labour jumped into bed with the DUP! What a ridiculous thing to say. I think had it been Libdems again or another smaller party that the conservatives went in with, people would be far more accepting.

Really if Nicola Sturgeon is capable of bullying May into holding a GE, How the fuck is she going to cope with EU negotiations. Really?

The issue is the policies of the DUP.
The anti abortion
The anti equality

How can the UK gov be neutral in the NI discussions to reinstate Stormont, when they are being propped up by one of the parties.

We're all going to hell in a handbasket. Even Rape clause Ruth can't stomach this arrangement going by her recent tweets. unless they've been deleted

yes the whole 'Muslim' thing is a stupid argument based on some bizzar assumption that if it was a 'Muslim' party we'd all be fine with misogyny and homophobia

Ignoring the fact that the DUP are corrupt, creationist, climate change deniers with socially-regressive policies...

The legal situation and guardianship responsibilities in terms of the Good Friday Agreement are going to face massive scrutiny? Are there no clauses to prevent this kind of political structure? I'm very surprised that this can't be challenged in law?

We, our labour mp is far from a staunch socialist and hasn't been"got rid of"

You're coming across like the pub bore, raven . Lots of shouting and sweeping generalisations and very little sense.

The illogical prat count would appear to be high.

2rebecca, how many Tory voters actually voted for a coalition government with the DUP? If they did, then I quite see the argument for respecting their vote. But the truth is that a lot of Tory voters are horrified by the idea, because they genuinely could not predict that this was what they were voting for.

As stated earlier on this thread, the Tories historically have refused to enter coalitions with the DUP, even in order to stay in government. The Good Friday agreement requires the British government to maintain a neutral stance: it is impossible to see how this could be done whilst depending on the DUP for their votes. Could Tory voters predict that the Tory party would ignore the Good Friday agreement? If not, how can you say it is their votes counting here?

By now quite a few Tory MPs are calling for May's resignation. Surely that is also their democratic right?

That's it. Therein lies the problem with THE RIGHT. If you say anything they don't like, or you actually try to discuss or change anything; you're called a loony liberal or a moaner.

These responses speak volumes.

Thanks for proving me right folks.

Good luck with the private healthcare.

Facts are...

May called this snap election to try to take advantage of perceived weakness in the opposition and then totally fucked it up.

May caused this coalition. By being really shit.

She is probably going to end up resigning.

We are still leaving the EU but we now might be able to retain single market access and freedom of movement (yay for continued cheap Polish labour!).

The right are deluded, and think the Conservatives 'won.' confused

Conservatives lost. Did you get that ??? CONSERVATIVES LOST.

Democracy is a wonderful thing at times but the country as a whole voted for what they have got I.e. TM wanted a mandate, she did not get it.

JC did not get the keys to No. 10 even with what he was offering.

Obvious question? Why?

The country has to live with the associated fall out.

Post Brexit, there will be a GE and an educated guess, TM will not be leader, JC will be in No. 10.

Be careful what you wish for people.

I remember the IMF having to help out as the country was a bit in debt a fair few years ago.

Well maybe not intentionally caused by Corbynites, but a consequence of their voting was that we had a hung parliament! But everyone entitled to their vote, so who am I to complain.

Accept May also screwed up by having. election. But those complaining now would most likely complain if no election were held and we just had to accept Tory leading Brexit!

The Good Friday agreement requires the British government to maintain a neutral stance
Cory You sound like you have knowledge here. I asked about the actual terms of neutrality in the GFA. Are they legally-binding? Will there be some kind of formal legal challenge, do you think?

The legal situation and guardianship responsibilities in terms of the Good Friday Agreement are going to face massive scrutiny?

Tbh (assuming the Tories can suppress the DUP's social conservatism) the consequences for the GFA is the more immediate worry. The idea that the DUP can have a foot in No 10 and also try to power share in NI seems unlikely. Especially considering the current delicate state of matters in Stormont. As well as public perception of Foster as being corrupt.

If Theresa May is not strong enough to cope with comments from Nicola Sturgeon without calling random elections, how on earth can anyone believe that she's robust enough to cope with running the country and manage negotiations with the EU? I don't think you even believe this yourself - the mask of supposed amusement at your own cleverness doesn't hide the absurdity of your comments.

I would debate with you op, but I prefer to debate with adults who can express themselves properly.

The DUP seem completely shit but without forming an alliance with SOMEONE, the Conservatives will not be able to form a majority government. What do people suppose they do about that?

squoosh Is this arrangement something that could attract outside attention? International arbitration etc? (I'm just saying words now, I'm not remotely legal eagle, domestically or internationally )

But those complaining now would most likely complain if no election were held and we just had to accept Tory leading Brexit!

Disagree completely. The Tories lead the charge for Brexit, up to them to deal with it. We can't call an election every time one side doesn't like what the other has done, there's a good reason why they're one every 5 years.

The Muslim comparison would only work if the fourth-largest H of C party were called The Conservative Muslim Party and campaigned on a platform of banning abortion and same-sex marriage.

What do people suppose they do about that?
Form a minority government as the largest party. Know they had the DUP on side anyway. Refuse to legitimise them. Refuse to meddle with the HFA.

GFA, not HFA.

Not a lawyer, Maid, so can't answer that question, but regardless of legally binding, I think the political fall-out could be absolutely horrendous. As far as I understand it, the relative calm in NI over the last couple of decades has depended on both sides feeling (to some extent) listened to. That was what the settlement was all about. The assumption that both sides could start moving forward and communicating in more normal political ways. It was a tremendous achievement.

May is prepared to risk all this just to cling to power for another 5 year period (or whenever she feels like calling the next election). That is completely irresponsible.

Labour lost! LABOUR. LOST!!!!!! Nothing has changed! NOTHING - HAS - CHANGED. ......pmsl!!!!!! Both you and Theresa May sound unstable