To think it's a bit pathetic to start a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition and the losing team should just accept it?

[Ravenblack]

So now there's a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition!

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-results-dup-conservative-theresa-may-petition-deal-northern-ireland-a7783021.html

Why can people (generally left wing) not accept democratic decisions in this country? Labour LOST. Do people not get that? May might need to go into Coalition with the DUP to form a Government as she was 8 seats short of a majority, but she still got over FIFTY SEATS more than Corbyn. And Sturgeon slagging off Theresa May can pipe down too. SNP lost over 20 SEATS, (that went mostly to Conservative!!!) So she has no right to be up on the moral high ground!

Moreover, the whingeing left-wingers would not be moaning and griping if Labour had gone into a coalition with the DUP. It's a case of May can do no right in the eyes of some.

It was the same with the EU referendum. We're not happy with the democratic result of the people, so we will start a petition! And then it turned out 10's of 1000's of signatures were fake!

Why can people not just accept the result? Let's face it, if Corbyn had won, the people who aren't so keen on him would have sucked it up!

And also, let's not kid ourselves; Corbyn got many of his votes by promising the world on a plate, you name it, he was going to deliver it. Free this, free that, benefits for everyone, free uni fees, free school meals, bedroom tax gone, ESA assessments gone, benefit cap gone. Baby unicorns, and a million pounds for everyone!

No WAY would he have been able to deliver what he was promising, and many people know that.

Then after 5 years of undoing EVERYTHING the Conservatives have done, the economy would be screwed, Conservatives would have got back in, and they would have had to spend five years sorting it out. Leaving us in a worse position than we are in now. Do people not get that? Are they so blindsided by this ruggedly handsome urban hero promising the world, that they can't see what a monumental fuck up he would have made of the economy?

I think the young were entranced by him, as he became an urban hero, and was engaging and charming and likeable, whilst May was awkward and stiff. Anyone who said anything against Corbyn, and showed support for May was lambasted.

This ludicrous petition is not going to change anything. Conservatives won. They are going to go into a coalition with the DUP. May is not going to resign. Deal with it.

Corbyn and his supporters didn't cause this, that's ridiculous.

TM caused it by calling a snap election and then making a total shambles of her campaign.

What a fucking shit answer!

It isn't a shit answer. Religious extremism in politics has an effect on us all, it doesn't matter which religion it is. The fact is, no one with religious beliefs that clouds their rational thoughts should be allowed to be part of the law-making decisions.

You haven't made any tangible points. You've only been aggressive and sworn, nothing of value at all.

It's not that we don't agree with your points OP, more that they are largely incoherent and irrelevant. It's like trying to debate with a particularly obstreperous trifle.

raven if as you say the Tories 'won' and Brexit is going to happen and these are obviously things you want, why do you sound so angry?

Oh dear. Somebody else that can't see the difference between people being unhappy with a tory/dup coalition and being unhappy with the election result.

No point trying to reason with someone like that in afraid.

Maleo makes good points.

And like it or not, Nicola Sturgeon CONTINUALLY BULLYING and antagonising and goading Theresa May by saying she is not an elected leader, and constantly nagging and nagging and whining at her caused this snap election.

Something MANY of you are conveniently forgetting and ignoring.

So if you want to blame ANYone for this coalition.... blame STURGEON.

@oliversmumsarmy
If after Labour offering all their goodies of free this and free that and more homes and saving the NHS and throwing money at everything, they still couldn't get enough seats to even cobble together a coalition against a party that had the most pathetic and dismally inept campaign.

Excellent post.

And @banagio

I am far from angry my dear. Highly amused yeah, but angry? Naaaaah.

VestslVirgin

It was actually something that really couldn't be predicted.
All the way through John Majors fragile time in office he refused to agree to a coalition with DUP which would have secured his position because it would have thrown the situation in NI into chaos.
This was without the further problems of the forthcoming border negotiations thrown up by Brexit.

So no. It could easily have been foreseen or expected because it's really dangerous.
It's a problem for many Tories.

Intertia

MNHQ, please can we have an "obstreperous trifle" emoji? Please? It would be much more fun than the biscuit. It could have an aggressive frowny face and steam coming out of its ears.

and Brexit was always going to happen - under Labour or The Cons

what you get now is a union with a party that want a soft Brexit and free movement ... well done

nellie

I was always taught you cant argue with stupid

Although i do love the pigeon analogy

The Corbynites caused this coalition. By voting in droves against Conservatives.

You've lived your life around some very manipulative people if you can honestly convince yourself that the blame for Theresa May's poor decision making cam really be placed at the feet of the voters who backed somebody else. "Well you made me do the horrible thing by not liking me" isn't an argument that will ever wash.

I'm curious to know though OP why your only direct replies to anyone are to those who agree with you but you only see fit to grace the rest of us with sweeping inaccurate statements based on irritation rather than fact.

Ravenblack Sat 10-Jun-17 13:22:01
"People commenting on me not answering questions... What about no-one addressing the fact that many Muslims do not believe in gay marriage and abortion etc, or many other religions. Nothing on that except 'well THEY are not politicians are they"

We are not commenting on the fact that other Protestant or Evangelical Christians have these beliefs either. We are not signing a petition against Theresa May having personal Protestant or Evangelical friends who have these beliefs. They can believe what they like and she can have what friends she likes. I have friends who hold these beliefs- Christians btw, not Muslims. I consider them deluded, but as I am not forming a coalition government with them this is not a matter of public concern.

We are signing a petition against the Prime Minister binding herself politically against a party committed to pushing their religious, misogynistic, homophobic agenda in Parliament. A party she will have to make concessions to if she wants the support she needs to govern the country.

If anyone ever forms a Muslim party with similar views and tries to enter a coalition Government with any other party, left or right wing, to push their similar agenda through, you can count on me to be right there signing the petition! Call me any time! And if nobody else starts the petition, I will! But this has not happened so it's not something we currently need to discuss.

Most of my Muslim friends are also against gay marriage but, that seems to be conveniently forgotten

Absolutely - but the DUP are white Christians so say no more.

It's my democratic right to stand up and say the country is making a huge mistake. I'll sign as many petitions as I like. I did it after the referendum and I'm doing it now.

We don't have to put up with rubbish. We can all stand up and say something.

Raven sounds hopping mad.

So if you want to blame ANYone for this coalition.... blame STURGEON.

The only person here blaming anyone but May is you. Even the right wing media blame her for throwing away a majority government to play silly power games. Sturgeon was quite rightly pointing out that she was a completely unelected candidate, and the polls show that she's not popular enough to hold full government. Only herself to blame, she was never 'owed' power.

I disagree with Muslims being against LGBT and women's rights and I also disagree with the DUP being against them. Equally.

I'm feeling pretty depressed to be honest.
This is going to be so damaging unless we start communicating and pressuring our politicians to negotiate and try and reach some cross party agreement as we try and find our way through the next few years and yet the tone is like a bunch of pissed BB housemates.

* "She is a stubborn old boot who will dig her heels in*"

Is she???? What about all her U turns?

Most of my Muslim friends are also against gay marriage but, that seems to be conveniently forgotten

Unless your Muslim friends are taking up seats as MPs that's a bit on a non sequitur

Fundamentalism of ANY religion has no place in government

yes - do you assume that people don't challenge their Muslim friends views? how odd - I would although non of my Muslims friends feel this way. A few of my older Christian friends do and we have many discussions about it.

however NOT ONE of them has publicly described gay people as child abusers or called them vile and disgusting - unlike the DUP

I think it's undemocratic. The DUP are democratically elected UK MPs who have as much right to be in a coalition with the largest party or do a deal with them as any other MPs. Some people who purport to have liberal views are very illiberal when the views are different to theirs.
I wouldn't vote for the DUP but lots of folk in NI have and their views should have as much sway as mine. I voted SNP and get annoyed with people saying the SNP shouldn't be in a coalition either.
Other people's votes are just as important as yours.

I was going to ask if, in a hypothetical situation where labour had won the most seats if they then formed a coalition with an extremist Muslim party would you be happy with that? Shut up and put up coz that's democracy innit.

But what's the point, you don't listen or respond to anything and hear what you want to hear. You're right OP, we all secretly believe that Labour won the election, the DUP are awesome and Theresa May is akin to God. I hope you're happy now

What about no-one addressing the fact that many Muslims do not believe in gay marriage and abortion etc, or many other religions. Nothing on that except 'well THEY are not politicians are they?

Agreed. Plenty of people don't like it - plenty of non-Muslims. Most people accept it as part of the modern world we live in, whether they personally agree or not.

But as I said, I am not aware of any political parties lead by Muslims who actively campaign to get into power by suggesting gay marriage is wrong. If there were, many people - of both left and right political perspectives - would have something to say about it. That there are people out there that don't agree with it is just a non-issue.

'I disagree with Muslims being against LGBT and women's rights and I also disagree with the DUP being against them. Equally.'

Same here. But some of the usual suspects will be determined to pretend people's revulsion at this is purely because the DUP are white Christians.