To think it's a bit pathetic to start a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition and the losing team should just accept it?

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So now there's a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition!

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-results-dup-conservative-theresa-may-petition-deal-northern-ireland-a7783021.html

Why can people (generally left wing) not accept democratic decisions in this country? Labour LOST. Do people not get that? May might need to go into Coalition with the DUP to form a Government as she was 8 seats short of a majority, but she still got over FIFTY SEATS more than Corbyn. And Sturgeon slagging off Theresa May can pipe down too. SNP lost over 20 SEATS, (that went mostly to Conservative!!!) So she has no right to be up on the moral high ground!

Moreover, the whingeing left-wingers would not be moaning and griping if Labour had gone into a coalition with the DUP. It's a case of May can do no right in the eyes of some.

It was the same with the EU referendum. We're not happy with the democratic result of the people, so we will start a petition! And then it turned out 10's of 1000's of signatures were fake!

Why can people not just accept the result? Let's face it, if Corbyn had won, the people who aren't so keen on him would have sucked it up!

And also, let's not kid ourselves; Corbyn got many of his votes by promising the world on a plate, you name it, he was going to deliver it. Free this, free that, benefits for everyone, free uni fees, free school meals, bedroom tax gone, ESA assessments gone, benefit cap gone. Baby unicorns, and a million pounds for everyone!

No WAY would he have been able to deliver what he was promising, and many people know that.

Then after 5 years of undoing EVERYTHING the Conservatives have done, the economy would be screwed, Conservatives would have got back in, and they would have had to spend five years sorting it out. Leaving us in a worse position than we are in now. Do people not get that? Are they so blindsided by this ruggedly handsome urban hero promising the world, that they can't see what a monumental fuck up he would have made of the economy?

I think the young were entranced by him, as he became an urban hero, and was engaging and charming and likeable, whilst May was awkward and stiff. Anyone who said anything against Corbyn, and showed support for May was lambasted.

This ludicrous petition is not going to change anything. Conservatives won. They are going to go into a coalition with the DUP. May is not going to resign. Deal with it.

From the Independent article Smile linked to

The DUP will not seek to impose its hardline agenda on sex marriage and abortion. These matters are already devolved to the Northern Irish Assembly at Stormont

'Tis I. Who's asking?

Oops

It is highly unlikely it will seek to impose its hardline agenda on sex marriage and abortion. These matters are already devolved to the Northern Irish Assembly at Stormont.

That's the quote from the article, Cross - I think you C&P slightly inaccurately.
Highly unlikely. Let's hope not, eh? Although given the extremity of their stance, I'd be interested to know what they think is hardline and what they would consider moderate...

The people posting 'OMG - labour previously discussed working with the DUP' presumeably are talking about it because they now appreciate what a dreadful and dangerous thing it is and are keen to stop May proceeding with such a dangerous alliance at this difficult moment in time?

It's not a party political problem
It's a 'let's stop NI heading back to sectarianism and violence' issue.

People trying to score petty political points about this are seriously fucking me off.

That's the quote from the article, Cross - I think you C&P slightly inaccurately

No, I've checked and my version is what it says in the linked article, paragraph 20, I think.

And of course Pageatch anyone who disagrees with your point of view is trying to score petty political points rather than actually being concerned about issues that will massively effect their lives like Brexit

The people posting 'OMG - labour previously discussed working with the DUP' presumeably are talking about it because they now appreciate what a dreadful and dangerous thing it is and are keen to stop May proceeding with such a dangerous alliance at this difficult moment in time?

I suppose that's the crux of the matter. I am slightly less than convinced of the motivations of Labour politicians saying this. I also think it's fair to say that most pp on this thread do not have an in depth knowledge of NI politics and the DUP. So whilst people may initially be horrified with the notion of an electoral pact with the DUP, once they know more, eg that an informal pact has been ongoing for a while, that several Labour parliamentary groups have considered this, and once they understand about devolved powers and what the pact would actually mean in practice, they might feel differently. I am never convinced that information is a bad thing.

CrossWordSalad

Well no. Lots of people on here disagree with me and are not making petty party political points. That's why I said 'people who are...'

But the humphy face is great. Thanks.

I don't care about the party political angle. I didn't vote labour. I'm not a fan of Corbyn. I'd be equally horrified if labour were suggesting making the DUP or Sinn Fein the kingmakers .

Highly unlikely is def there, Cross....

See?

Sadly, I do not have the technical knowhow or software at present to present an image of what I can see, but , as I have said, it is my version. and is different to yours.

Perhaps you are in an app, or mobile site and I am not, or something.

However, I can live with the fact that someone on the internet would rather believe that I am a liar than consider that there might be an alternative explanation for us reading two different versions, so I will leave it there.

A petition you say...like this one

www.change.org/p/nearly-one-million-please-sign-theresamay-to-resign-say-no-to-the-dup-cabinet-jeremy-hunt-postmanpratt1

Ooh, I have now acquired the technical knowhow.

I read highly unlikely.

Good work on the technical know how Cross.

Just shows that the media can't be trusted, hey? If one article can't even stay the same...

Weird . Two different responses in same article. Only time will tell.

Thank you Smile I'm quite pleased with my new technical prowess

CrossWordSalad, you joined this thread by commenting on the Labour party in relation to the DUP.

That aside, I would be very interested to know:

a) what you actually think of the DUP?

b) what you think of a situation where the governing party at Westminster does not have a majority but is in a deal of confidence and supply with the DUP, who thus hold the casting vote?

It's not just the case that Labour previously wanted to work with the DUP. Jonathan Ashworth said this morning that Labour would work with the DUP in a minority government. I'm pretty certain that there would be no protests and petitions if the DUP were going into coalition with Labour rather than the Tories.

I am pretty certain that you are wrong allthepretty

I reserve the right to be pissed off with my government whether they are red or blue

I'm pretty certain that there would be no protests and petitions if the DUP were going into coalition with Labour rather than the Tories.

What are you basing that on? Why are you assuming that people don't hate the DUP because of their extreme stance on a number of different issues. With respect, you're talking bollocks.

I'm pretty certain that there would be no protests and petitions if the DUP were going into coalition with Labour rather than the Tories.

Yeah, but that tells us more about your stupidity than anything else.

I mean, for one thing, there are petitions for everything these days. It's the way of the world. And for another, are you truly saying you don't think eg Ruth Davidson would be kicking off? When she came as close as she could to criticising her own leader, but somehow she'd stfu if it were Corbyn?

You would literally have to be as thick as pigshit to genuinely think that.

No, you'd be thick as pigshit to think there would be this level of vitriol if it were a Labour/DUP alliance. Where was the condemnation of Ashworth, for example?

I'm pretty certain that there would be no protests and petitions if the DUP were going into coalition with Labour rather than the Tories

I can't imagine DUP supporters being too pleased