To think it's a bit pathetic to start a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition and the losing team should just accept it?

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So now there's a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition!

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-results-dup-conservative-theresa-may-petition-deal-northern-ireland-a7783021.html

Why can people (generally left wing) not accept democratic decisions in this country? Labour LOST. Do people not get that? May might need to go into Coalition with the DUP to form a Government as she was 8 seats short of a majority, but she still got over FIFTY SEATS more than Corbyn. And Sturgeon slagging off Theresa May can pipe down too. SNP lost over 20 SEATS, (that went mostly to Conservative!!!) So she has no right to be up on the moral high ground!

Moreover, the whingeing left-wingers would not be moaning and griping if Labour had gone into a coalition with the DUP. It's a case of May can do no right in the eyes of some.

It was the same with the EU referendum. We're not happy with the democratic result of the people, so we will start a petition! And then it turned out 10's of 1000's of signatures were fake!

Why can people not just accept the result? Let's face it, if Corbyn had won, the people who aren't so keen on him would have sucked it up!

And also, let's not kid ourselves; Corbyn got many of his votes by promising the world on a plate, you name it, he was going to deliver it. Free this, free that, benefits for everyone, free uni fees, free school meals, bedroom tax gone, ESA assessments gone, benefit cap gone. Baby unicorns, and a million pounds for everyone!

No WAY would he have been able to deliver what he was promising, and many people know that.

Then after 5 years of undoing EVERYTHING the Conservatives have done, the economy would be screwed, Conservatives would have got back in, and they would have had to spend five years sorting it out. Leaving us in a worse position than we are in now. Do people not get that? Are they so blindsided by this ruggedly handsome urban hero promising the world, that they can't see what a monumental fuck up he would have made of the economy?

I think the young were entranced by him, as he became an urban hero, and was engaging and charming and likeable, whilst May was awkward and stiff. Anyone who said anything against Corbyn, and showed support for May was lambasted.

This ludicrous petition is not going to change anything. Conservatives won. They are going to go into a coalition with the DUP. May is not going to resign. Deal with it.

Don't you remember 2010? 5 days before a government was formed. Labour had the constitutional right to form a government but only the same number of seats as Corbyn has now. To form a government, he had to try to make deals with everybody.

TBH I think it shows that the current government having the constitutional right to form the next in a minority situation is ridiculous and the right should automatically go to the party with the largest share of seats.

The difference is 2010 though that neither party did go into coalition with them. TM ran straight to them.

No but they both talked to them. If Brown could have done the deal do you think he would have refused?

Some odd views on this thread.

So for the Tories in 2017 to form an electoral pact with the DUP is disgusting/atrocious/outrageous/undemocratic etc etc but the fact that Brown in 2010, and Miliband in 2015 (if the reports of what Iain Paisley (jr) is saying on Twitter are true) tried to do exactly the same for Labour are irrelevant to the discussion?

It just shows how far down the road of denying reality some people are prepared to go to get their way. Scary.

You do understand that the DUP wanting to work with Labour is not the same as Labour wanting to work with the DUP?

Well, I for one have no problem with agreeing that Labour would have been just as wrong to form such a coalition. And if they had, then I would have signed a petition. As no doubt would thousands of others. But nothing came of it, so that was not required.

Protesting against something done by the Tories does not mean you have to think everything Labour do is above criticism. Plenty of the people currently protesting are actually Tories. They think this particular coalition is a bad idea and consider it their duty to say so.

When Tony Blair entered upon a legally dodgy war, I did not hold my protests back with the argument that Tories have entered dodgy wars in the past. That was not, at that point, relevant.

I am not interested in who is top of the ethics class. I am interested in the best and safest and most morally defensible decisions being taken at any particular point.

I was just about to write what corythatwas has written (but probably less eloquently!) . So yeah, what cory said.

Perking why bother talking to them then in 2010 and now apparently in 2015, if they had no intention of doing a deal - surely they would have had the courage of their convictions to tell them to do a running jump if they thought they were that abhorrent?

You do understand that the DUP wanting to work with Labour is not the same as Labour wanting to work with the DUP?

The reports are that it was Labour wanting to do a deal in 2010 (well documented) and 2015 (if reports on what Iain Paisley is saying, and what IP is saying are true).

You'll notice Labour did not make a pact with the DUP. In 2010 or 2015. Or in 2017.

So you're ok with her putting her wanting a majority for her party over the good of the country by teaming up with homophobic cunts who live out the Bible and simply added fortnightly bin collections to there manifesto? Looks like we know who you voted for

So you're ok with her putting her wanting a majority for her party over the good of the country by teaming up with homophobic cunts who live out the Bible and simply added fortnightly bin collections to there manifesto? Looks like we know who you voted for

Cross you nailed it in your earlier post. It's alright for the Labour Party to have talks with the DUP (even if they came to nothing) but if anyone else dares to it's the end of the world. The denial is big.

The reports are that it was Labour wanting to do a deal in 2010

But they didn't. Presumably because the terms of the agreement could not be agreed?

Whereas TM had the agreement signed off within hours AND the abortion time limit is already on the table for discussion.

Considering the amount of otherwise intelligent people who had to google who the dup were in the last few days, it wouldn't surprise me to find many mainland politicians similarly unaware. HTH.

Your "reports", CrossWordSalad, the best you could do on the other thread, are the Telegraph article already mentioned here, which emphatically does NOT show Labour making a deal with the DUP.

And this Irish News article which states:

"The [Clinton hack] email read: "Shaun, for his part, is working on an economic package for Northern Ireland to win support from the DUP and other parties for Labour"

www.irishnews.com/news/2015/09/02/news/hillary-clinton-emails-labour-sought-dup-election-pact-248668/

So again, not a deal with the DUP in the way the Tories have now.

(if reports on what Iain Paisley is saying, and what IP is saying are true).
Sorry, I'm a bit confused by this. Ian Paisley died in 2014. Or are you referring to Ian Paisley Jr.?

Perking, thank god you pointed that out again - and yes as has already been answered whether any deal was made or not isn't the point - Labour was prepared to talk to them to gain power so it's a bit rich to criticise other parties for doing the same thing.

I also completely agree with corythatwas at 12:23:19.

Dawn yes Jr.

Sorry, I'm a bit confused by this. Ian Paisley died in 2014. Or are you referring to Ian Paisley Jr.?

Yes, apologies, should have made that clear.

Of course you agree with cory as at this particular point in time it suits the Labour Party to act holier than thou!

This is all very anti the Northern Irish. People are happy to have the people of NI as part of the UK but when the party many of them vote for in large numbers looks like getting a taste of power suddenly their votes shouldn't count because they are nasty people who vote for nasty parties?
NI are as much part of the UK as England, Scotland and Wales. Their people have as much right to be represented and their politicians part of the UK government as anyone else.

Good god the barrel scraping from the May supporters on this thread is strong.

Am I allowed to blaspheme now? Not sure what with possibly having religious fundamentalists propping up our government? Sorry, is that politically correct? What is acceptable speech when describing the climate change denying homophobes who don't want a woman to have control over their own uterus? Asking for a friend.

And you, Loki, did not bother to read the part of my posts which make it quite clear that I have no interest in the Labour party being holier than thou. I am absolutely impartial when it comes to protesting against the wrong and the dangerous. If Jeremy Corbyn comes to power and proposes to enter any shady deals, you can rely on me to be at the front of the petition-signing queue.