To think it's a bit pathetic to start a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition and the losing team should just accept it?

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So now there's a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition!

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-results-dup-conservative-theresa-may-petition-deal-northern-ireland-a7783021.html

Why can people (generally left wing) not accept democratic decisions in this country? Labour LOST. Do people not get that? May might need to go into Coalition with the DUP to form a Government as she was 8 seats short of a majority, but she still got over FIFTY SEATS more than Corbyn. And Sturgeon slagging off Theresa May can pipe down too. SNP lost over 20 SEATS, (that went mostly to Conservative!!!) So she has no right to be up on the moral high ground!

Moreover, the whingeing left-wingers would not be moaning and griping if Labour had gone into a coalition with the DUP. It's a case of May can do no right in the eyes of some.

It was the same with the EU referendum. We're not happy with the democratic result of the people, so we will start a petition! And then it turned out 10's of 1000's of signatures were fake!

Why can people not just accept the result? Let's face it, if Corbyn had won, the people who aren't so keen on him would have sucked it up!

And also, let's not kid ourselves; Corbyn got many of his votes by promising the world on a plate, you name it, he was going to deliver it. Free this, free that, benefits for everyone, free uni fees, free school meals, bedroom tax gone, ESA assessments gone, benefit cap gone. Baby unicorns, and a million pounds for everyone!

No WAY would he have been able to deliver what he was promising, and many people know that.

Then after 5 years of undoing EVERYTHING the Conservatives have done, the economy would be screwed, Conservatives would have got back in, and they would have had to spend five years sorting it out. Leaving us in a worse position than we are in now. Do people not get that? Are they so blindsided by this ruggedly handsome urban hero promising the world, that they can't see what a monumental fuck up he would have made of the economy?

I think the young were entranced by him, as he became an urban hero, and was engaging and charming and likeable, whilst May was awkward and stiff. Anyone who said anything against Corbyn, and showed support for May was lambasted.

This ludicrous petition is not going to change anything. Conservatives won. They are going to go into a coalition with the DUP. May is not going to resign. Deal with it.

There are petitions against pretty much everything these days. You'd have to be on a different planet to think there wouldn't be a myriad of them against Corbyn if he'd won. It's just what people do these days, and you only make yourself look like a silly, out of touch tit if you claim otherwise.

I am current studying so I am on a student forum and gets what not all students voted Labour. Many voted Conservative too. The political threads on there indicate this.

Just giving my opinion. And I'm not for a minute making excuses for May. It was a terrible campaign and a mistake to even call a GE. It just wasn't necessary. What it did do was allow Corbyn to provide a manifesto which was over promising, and under costed. Now you might not agree with my opinion, but I stand by it, just as I respect others to have their opinions, whether I agree with them or not.

Fab39ish - but can you confirm that the majority did vote labour? You'd be hard pushed round here to find any that voted Tory. Btw, I do think it's great that young people are now voting - if nothing else, this GE has stirred up at least an interest and enthusiasm in them to want to go out there and vote, so that has to be a good thing.

It's not a coalition though.

But it is an admission of failure. This is a failed government and it would have been so much better for all the electorate if May had called for a cross party alliance on the negotiations for Brexit. Instead she takes a path that is unpalatable to most of her Parliamentary MPs. May lost a comfortable lead in the polls and gambled away her comfortable stance in Parliament.

The only losers were the current shambles of a Government. A chaotic and unstable Government.

I'm a teacher and I urged my Y13s to vote. I pointed out that the polling data suggested that the result of the entire election rested on whether they as a group got out and voted and so their vote could actually would make a difference. I also reminded them of the Brexit vote and that their future had been decided by people who would die before they were affected by it. They said they had been targeted heavily on social media with this message too.

On Thursday one boy still hadn't decided who to vote for. To their credit, the class instead of pressurising him to vote Labour (many are off to uni in Sept but he isn't) told him to do those online quizzes to decide whose policies he liked the best. I don't know who they were all going to vote for, but it wasn't all Labour. There was at least one Lib Dem and Tory in the mix.

The Conservatives have won

So before the election, the Tories had a smallish, but certainly adequate majority. May called an election because she saw the poll ratings that put her on 20 points above the Labour party and set for a majority of over 100. She then conspired through her own ineptitude to throw that away and was left without a commons majority, when the whole point of this wholly unneeded election was to deliver her a personal mandate and a stinking great majority: she now has neither.

It will now become clear just how impossible it will be for her or indeed any Tory a leader toovern in the next few weeks.

This wasn't a victory, it is the equivalent of not just missing an open goal from 10 yards out, but managing to hit your own greenhouse and shatter every pane of glass in the process.

The correct analogy is not "if Corbyn had won" but if Corbyn had proposed to govern through a coalition with the Sinn Fein. (assuming, of course, that the Sinn Fein condescended to take up their seats)

Now hands up- how many of you would have felt honour bound not to complain about that?

I am a natural Labour supporter (if not a Corbyn supporter) and I would have been right there signing petitions. You don't have to be any particular political shade to see why coalitions with one side of the Northern Ireland division is a bad, bad idea. And that's before we get to their actual policies.

I am just pointing out that not all students blindly votes for Labour because of the sweeties they were promised. I haven't done a poll.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7683450/General-Election-2010-DUP-now-being-courted-by-Labour.html

oh, that's interesting.

Yes! I just knew there would be a headline citing that the DUP would be courted by Labour, it's pathetic and always smoke and mirrors from the right wing press and they think their readers are stupid, which they are not.

I bet Foster is loving the attention.

That headline is from 2010 not now.

You do know that story is from 2010?

Sorry I don't know who you are addressing that remark to - yes I know it's from 2010, it demonstrates the hypocrisy of Labour.

Not that interesting, if you actually read the letter.

Peter Robinson trying to use Tory cuts as leverage by pointing out that Labour had promised not to make cuts to the Northern Ireland block grant - in a letter that repeatedly emphasizes the work of "all the Assembly parties".

So no, not Labour attempting to do a deal with the DUP at all. Just Robinson and another politician bullshitting to try to make themselves more attractive.

How? It's a story from 7 years ago about something that never happened. You're seriously scraping the barrel there.

Did you read the article, Loki?

Rather than just the headline? It doesn't say what you think it does.

Lok

Oh and unsubstantiated claim, made by a former leader of the DUP (made in all likelihood to put pressure on the Tories to offer them something similar during coalition talks) made three general elections ago when Labour had a different leader.

Hardly a smoking gun. Quite an apt metaphor given the Tories' new best pals close links to Loyalist paramilitaries.

Err that was "new Labour" The current Labour leadership is very different.

Ah, more misunderstanding of UK politics. When dealing with NI, you have to deal with the NI parties, of which DUP and Sinn Fein are just two albeit the major two. There's not much choice there left to any UK Government.

Different to getting in to bed with them. Especially when Corbyn is branded a terrorist sympathiser for past actions and DUP actually have current links to paramilitaries.

Very true - New Labour did actually win some elections

It's not just an unsubstantiated claim, it's pure Alice in Wonderland.

Robinson essentially said:

"Gordon Brown promised not to reduce the NI block grant, citing all parties' work towards peace. OMG that's the same as saying he wants to do a deal with us, the DUP. (Obviously what we're really saying, dear 2010 Tories, is that we want to do a deal with Brown, not other way round. And we don't even mean it; we're just saying it to play hard to get.)"

OP - you have posted on this thread that Labour have 'caused' this coalition by 'voting in droves' against the Conservatives.

Did it never occur to you to think just for a second about why it is that people are 'voting in droves' (your words, not mine) against the Conservatives? What do you think it might be about the Tory party and their policies that people are rejecting?

Are you disputing that the electorate do not have the right to vote for whichever party they choose? Or are you suggesting a one-party state which does not get challenged at all?

Lokisglowstickofdestiny Can you explain how that story highlights the hypocrisy of Labour, it's really not clear at all.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/may/11/dup-not-ideologically-opposed-coaltion?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

This from another right wing press organisation.
States talks were going on - now whether the DUP were playing Labour off against the Tories who knows but it would appear that Labour were happy to have the talks so yes I do think they are being hypocritical.