To think it's a bit pathetic to start a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition and the losing team should just accept it?

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So now there's a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition!

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-results-dup-conservative-theresa-may-petition-deal-northern-ireland-a7783021.html

Why can people (generally left wing) not accept democratic decisions in this country? Labour LOST. Do people not get that? May might need to go into Coalition with the DUP to form a Government as she was 8 seats short of a majority, but she still got over FIFTY SEATS more than Corbyn. And Sturgeon slagging off Theresa May can pipe down too. SNP lost over 20 SEATS, (that went mostly to Conservative!!!) So she has no right to be up on the moral high ground!

Moreover, the whingeing left-wingers would not be moaning and griping if Labour had gone into a coalition with the DUP. It's a case of May can do no right in the eyes of some.

It was the same with the EU referendum. We're not happy with the democratic result of the people, so we will start a petition! And then it turned out 10's of 1000's of signatures were fake!

Why can people not just accept the result? Let's face it, if Corbyn had won, the people who aren't so keen on him would have sucked it up!

And also, let's not kid ourselves; Corbyn got many of his votes by promising the world on a plate, you name it, he was going to deliver it. Free this, free that, benefits for everyone, free uni fees, free school meals, bedroom tax gone, ESA assessments gone, benefit cap gone. Baby unicorns, and a million pounds for everyone!

No WAY would he have been able to deliver what he was promising, and many people know that.

Then after 5 years of undoing EVERYTHING the Conservatives have done, the economy would be screwed, Conservatives would have got back in, and they would have had to spend five years sorting it out. Leaving us in a worse position than we are in now. Do people not get that? Are they so blindsided by this ruggedly handsome urban hero promising the world, that they can't see what a monumental fuck up he would have made of the economy?

I think the young were entranced by him, as he became an urban hero, and was engaging and charming and likeable, whilst May was awkward and stiff. Anyone who said anything against Corbyn, and showed support for May was lambasted.

This ludicrous petition is not going to change anything. Conservatives won. They are going to go into a coalition with the DUP. May is not going to resign. Deal with it.

Indeed.

The laughable thing with Brexit is that before the results the Leave camp were going to insist on a new referendum if it was close Ie 52 and 48 the other way. Yet those on here who had the cheek to complain or express concerns were told to get over it.

Yeah I wonder what Margaret Thatcher would make of her.

Ah, the Conservative party. Teaching by example yet again that it is the party of personal responsibility.

"Return to responsibility" by David Cameron, 27 Feb 2010.

"At the heart of the breakdown of trust in society is a breakdown of personal responsibility. Personal responsibility is the foundation of an ethical society.
...
"I believe that all these insights lead to one conclusion that is central to Conservatism: the more responsibility we give people, the more likely they are to make ethical decisions. That's why the modern Conservative project is at heart an ethical project. Our mission is to rebuild responsibility."

So how's that going Dave? Dave? Yoohoo, where are you?

Oh Treeza. OK, you're responsible now. Oh, you're not. I see, it's all Jeremy's fault, or Nicola's fault, or Fiona and Nick's fault. Righto, got that.

And anyway if you're gone by Monday there's always Boris, or Michael G. They're good at personal responsibility, aren't they? Just like they showed the morning after the referendum?

I've also been in contact with my MP. He's a tory and has assured me he had expressed his own concerns about the DUP to the leader of his party.

That's just weasel words. If he felt anyway strongly about the issue he'd either resign the party whip or promise to vote against the Queen's Speech. Ditto Ruth Davidson for all her huffing and puffing, she will turn, tut and look appalled and then silently thank the DUP for propping up her discredited leader and defeated party.

"They made me do it" finger wagging and take a bit of personal responsibility"

Dont be silly Pick a Chew Personal responsibility is only for poor people!

Thank you OP and supporters for advertising the petition and for some of the most hilarious posts I have seen on MN - this is waaaaayyy better than penis beaker!

Make Tory/DUP negotiations public!!!!

No one voted for a coalition!!

If this is you 'amused' then I bet you're a right barrel of laughs,OP.

Sick of seeing 'the left this, the left that', Jesus Christ.

YABU, sensible Tories don't want the DUP making demands and destabilising the Good Friday Agreement.

I am hoping this situation doesn't prevail for long enough to make any difference.

TM needs to step away from this "solution".

The Corbynites caused this coalition. By voting in droves against Conservatives.

You really think the former UKIP voters who voted Labour are Corbynistas, OP? And the Lib Dem voters in seats like Twickenham?

Frankly, I just don't see how this is going to work. If May tries to deliver the sort of policies that will keep the DUP happy, there will be substantial numbers of Tory MPs who will not be able to stomach it, and their votes are likely to outweigh the DUP ones. Then there's the EVEL issue.

I certainly wouldn't have your confidence that May is not going to resign. The general view on the ground is that she can't last more than a couple of weeks. Hammond, Johnson and several other Tory MPs openly despise her.

OP- YANBU

www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40236152
for those who are not up to date with the news - it is NOT a coalition
how do you think labour could survive with fewer seats and needing a coalition with SNP, PC and/or libdems.?
the DUP are democratically elected in a part of the UK and we can all disagree with their extreme policies which are mostly decided by stormont anyway but we are where we are.
You lost - get over it and work for the good of the whole country for once.

I kind of agree with you OP - there definitely wouldn't be a petition if they were going to shore up Corbyn. As it is, they won't work with him because of his past, which rather scuppers the wild claims that Corbyn was essential to the NI peace process and spoke to all sides. Not that anyone believed it was the case anyway, surely.

I wish Corbyn would give it a rest. He lost. The Tories got a lot more votes and seats. Leaders who lose elections normally resign (goes for both parties tbh). It's all so undignified. Anyway, there'll be another election in a few years (weeks?) - it isn't the same as Brexit.

Whatever happened to grown-up politics? Neither of the two main parties are fit for purpose now.

What's being said?

What's being promised?

Nobody voted Tory/DUP!

NS kept repeating/goading that May was an unelected PM,

Come on, Gordon Brown had three years of that from the massed ranks of the Mail, Sun and Express, and he managed to withstand it. Are we really saying that poor, feeble TM is weaker than him? If so, does she really deserve to be PM?

Nobody.

As a Labour voter, I am well aware that Labour didn't win the election but equally, to have gained enough votes to have resulted in a hung parliament is quite an achievement given where they were only 8 weeks ago. I don't think that the party should get carried away with the result and it is important to build on the momentum (no pun intended). Personally I think that Corbyn is in a far better position with labour remaining as a rejuvenated opposition than trying to form a weak government that can't get policies through parliament.

I don't think that you are goady and you have a right to express an opinion but you are speaking as much from a biased point of view as any labour supporter is. You seem to have switched the blame for this situation twice: once to 'corbynistas' and then to Sturgeon when in fact the blame for the awful (and it was an awful) campaign lies with May, her advisors and the Tories.

I appreciate that you appear to be a loyal Conservative supporter but they have seriously underestimated the mood of the country towards austerity, their reaction to the policies that the Tories were offering (some of which were rather sketchy and vague in terms of costings) and also in terms of the type of brexit that people want.

It seems from your original post that you kind of expect people to view what has happened as 'business as usual' and no big deal, almost like it was May's plan all along rather than her actual aim of securing a massive majority (the mandate).

I think that maybe we are all at times inclined to see things only from the point of view of our party loyalties and it's important to recognise that there is another point of view to the party that you support.

Theresa May didnt win an election any more than Corbyn did.

The reason she's having to rely on a homophobic party to prop up her government is testament to that.

Wanna win next time? Start a petition to get rid of Corbyn. He's a liability, and is the reason Labour LOST.

No, the reason the Conservatives lost is that they misread Corbyn in the same way you have, OP. They went into this election thinking it was a brilliant wheeze because Labour under Corbyn was unprecedentedly weak and could be wiped out, and decided to focus everything on him v May. Then they found he was suddenly doing well whilst May was doing really badly, and didn't have the sense to switch their strategy. So we were left in the last days of the campaign with panicked smears against him that people simply weren't buying; it was starkly obvious that the Tory press were going after him because the reality was that they couldn't put forward positive reasons to support May.

Many people who voted Tory would have voted Labour if he had not been the leader. Now THAT is a fact. Don't deny it. Please.

Precisely what is your evidence for that?

Awful beliefs.

Who are these people who will pull the strings?

No Tory/DUP Coalition

With all the bribes in the world, Corbyn still couldn't win.

With all the indications of the biggest lead in the world, TM couldn't win.

Clearly neither party meets what the British public actually wants. Wish we could have a radical overhaul of the whole system. Including voting for parties. Wish we could vote per policy.

I do wonder though what all the Corbyn lovers would do if he did get in and he did smash the economy as I am utterly sure he would, given what I hear from my colleagues and friends in finance. Even on the smaller scale I was listening to an interview on the radio with the boss of a company that employs about 100 people. He said everything that lots of posters on here have said about the rise in corporation tax killing it off - said he would be closing and relocating overseas (he said New Zealand) so that would be 0% tax from the business and the employees, plus 100 unemployed.

Even the alleged high earners on here alleging that they'd just love to pay more tax (query why they don't volunteer to do so already?!) can only do so if their employers don't follow suit. They could find themselves unemployed instead! Yet people just don't seem to acknowledge this, when companies and high earners are saying openly that they'd leave if taxes made it not worthwhile. Because Steven hawking said it would be ok!

And once you've lost investment and high earners, they ain't coming back any time soon.

Olliegarchie - devolution in Ireland is currently suspended due to DUP corruption in the cash for ash scandal.

The Westminster government is supposed to be coordinating talks to put power sharing back together in which it acts as an honest broker. How independent is it likely to look if it is in formal coalition with the DUP? - answer, in case it's too tricky- it isn't.

The conservatives don't need to have a formal coalition or a majority. They could instead try to put forward legislation which gets cross party support. The conservatives had pinched a fair few manifesto promises from ed miliband's campaign so there would be enough to keep them busy for a while.

I see the Supreme Court decision in this case is due out next week. It's the one about making Northern Ireland women pay for abortions on the NHS - more information here.

If that goes in favour of the appellants, it could provoke an early and interesting test of the alliance.