To think it's a bit pathetic to start a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition and the losing team should just accept it?

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So now there's a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition!

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-results-dup-conservative-theresa-may-petition-deal-northern-ireland-a7783021.html

Why can people (generally left wing) not accept democratic decisions in this country? Labour LOST. Do people not get that? May might need to go into Coalition with the DUP to form a Government as she was 8 seats short of a majority, but she still got over FIFTY SEATS more than Corbyn. And Sturgeon slagging off Theresa May can pipe down too. SNP lost over 20 SEATS, (that went mostly to Conservative!!!) So she has no right to be up on the moral high ground!

Moreover, the whingeing left-wingers would not be moaning and griping if Labour had gone into a coalition with the DUP. It's a case of May can do no right in the eyes of some.

It was the same with the EU referendum. We're not happy with the democratic result of the people, so we will start a petition! And then it turned out 10's of 1000's of signatures were fake!

Why can people not just accept the result? Let's face it, if Corbyn had won, the people who aren't so keen on him would have sucked it up!

And also, let's not kid ourselves; Corbyn got many of his votes by promising the world on a plate, you name it, he was going to deliver it. Free this, free that, benefits for everyone, free uni fees, free school meals, bedroom tax gone, ESA assessments gone, benefit cap gone. Baby unicorns, and a million pounds for everyone!

No WAY would he have been able to deliver what he was promising, and many people know that.

Then after 5 years of undoing EVERYTHING the Conservatives have done, the economy would be screwed, Conservatives would have got back in, and they would have had to spend five years sorting it out. Leaving us in a worse position than we are in now. Do people not get that? Are they so blindsided by this ruggedly handsome urban hero promising the world, that they can't see what a monumental fuck up he would have made of the economy?

I think the young were entranced by him, as he became an urban hero, and was engaging and charming and likeable, whilst May was awkward and stiff. Anyone who said anything against Corbyn, and showed support for May was lambasted.

This ludicrous petition is not going to change anything. Conservatives won. They are going to go into a coalition with the DUP. May is not going to resign. Deal with it.

I can see where you're coming from OP, but you didn't really think the Labour supporters would just accept the fact that Corbyn didn't get in do you? We saw what happened with Brexit, and the foot stamping tantrums still echo around us a year on. You should do what you would do with a tantrumming toddler; ignore, ignore, ignore.

Live what is it you want to get out of being so goady?

It just makes you look silly.

Well the Tories did actually win in that they got more votes. They just could ensure the queens speech got through as they did not have more votes than everyone put together. And yes OP, I'm fed up of (usually lefties) being so fucking entitled that they ignore democracy at every turn, we are leaving Europe because that's what most people voted for. We have a Tory government because that what most people voted for (DUP are trying to keep some universal benefits and the triple lock btw). Don't try and over turn democracy with a bloody petition

Actually max ensuring the Queens speech tot through would mean sod all. They conservatives don't have enough majority to put through any laws in parliament without the DUP hence the coalition.

If you'd bothered to read the thread you'd see that a number of tories have also signed the petition. Bet they're the most offended at being called a leftie!

The ironic thing about all of this is the whole hate for a petition, if JC had got in, every single one of you who are furious at this petition would have been signing your own petition to oust him.

Don't try and over turn democracy with a bloody petition

Hate to break it t you but democracy is just that. The freedom to disagree with a decision. Just like you who would have been raising shit if JC was in and being propped up by a homophobic party.

Thankfully JC isn't that stupid.

So none of this is May's fault. If she bored down to nagging from Nicola Sturgeon she is hardly strong and stable.
And blaming Labour supporters for the coalition because they used their democratic right.

I can see where you're coming from OP, but you didn't really think the Labour supporters would just accept the fact that Corbyn didn't get in do you? We saw what happened with Brexit, and the foot stamping tantrums still echo around us a year on. You should do what you would do with a tantrumming toddler; ignore, ignore, ignore.

So being opposed to an anti gay and anti abortion party joining our progressive government is toddler tantruming now is it?

Wow. Just Wow.

Bowed

"Ruggledly handsome" ... you should have gone to spec savers

Absolutely none of it is Fab39ish.

It's a mark of a narcissist.

Ruggledly handsome" ... you should have gone to spec savers

What's JCs looks got to do with it? His appearance has the same relevance as TMs Legs on the front of the Daily Mail with NS & 'Legsit' did.

Sod all.

I'll probably look pathetic all the other times I'm protesting the Tories ruining my country. I can live with it. Carry on benefiting from lefty policies while you sneer at us.

You know what I think. All these threads going on about how Corbyn should resign coming from the right of mumsnet makes me feel that they believe he is a liability for the Conservatives.
They realise that he has given Labour a future and they don't like it.

I reached the age of majority in 1985 and have never voted anything but Conservative in national or local elections. I'm a member of the Conservative Party, albeit very lazy and inactive.
They can stick my membership card up their arse for their behaviour since the early hours of Friday morning. I am fucking horrified that they would court the favour of people with such extreme views and dubious attachments, let alone risk the total fracture of the GFA.
Theresa May is clearly not strong, and these latest machinations lead me to believe she ain't all that stable any more either.

How do you know people would suck it up op. Do you have a crystal ball?

Great post black pepper Dh is Conservative too and he is concerned aswell.

They realise that he has given Labour a future and they don't like it.

Completely agree Fab39ish. Even more delicious knowing he isn't going anywhere 👌

Just to reiterate, for all those who think protesting is akin to toddler tantrums and people should 'just suck it up':

Peaceful protest is a vital and important part of a democracy.

Democracy is MORE than just voting in a General Election, although this is a central part of democracy.

A strong opposition, both in and out of Parliament, makes for a better government.

Sits back and awaits the next uninformed 'protesters should just shut up' post.

I've also been in contact with my MP. He's a tory and has assured me he had expressed his own concerns about the DUP to the leader of his party. So I think it's fair to say it's not just us loony lefties who can't accept losing who have concerns about the DUP.

Why is it that anyone who doesn't roll over to close votes is automatically left wing? Displays an enormous lack of political awareness.

2.4% is a tiny margin between Conservatives and Labour

Thanks, op! Signed.

You've all missed whose fault it really is...

Its Juncker's. He suggested May hold an election. Says so in the Observer.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/10/election-nicky-morgan-theresa-hard-brexit?CMP=share_btn_tw

Gets coat and runs off laughing maniacally, and waits for the bait to be taken

There is nothing in democracy that say that anyone has to accept any vote as a final thought on the matter. It is just that, if you disagree, you seek to overturn the vote by democratic means (and petitions are certainly an acceptable part of that). It is only authoritarians who demand that votes they agree with are treated as absolute and final. Those who campaigned to leave the EU obviously can't see the stinking hypocrisy that accompanies their attempts to deny the democratic voice of those that disagree with them, even though they benefitted from having such an oppositional voice themselves over the last 40 years.

However, as some others have pointed out, during the negotiations for and since the Good Friday Agreement, the UK Government has been in the place of an 'honest broker' (as far as is possible), in the disputes in Stormont. A minority Tory administration in hock to the DUP to get anything done simply cannot fulfil this role. This is a serious set back to the peace process in Northern Ireland. I certainly can see direct rule being in place whilst this arrangement lasts and I genuinely pray that the escalating tensions that result do not end up in violence.

A deeply troubling day.

She is not so strong and stable now but there are no winners. Only losers.

Rather ironic isn't it when you think about it. The same conservatives that demanded a recount in places like Kensington because they simply couldn't accept it; are now complaining about others wanting to be doubly sure May knows what she's doing.

Agree Daddy.

Like how 48% of remainers voices didn't matter but suddenly 43% of tory voters is to be cheered.