To think it's a bit pathetic to start a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition and the losing team should just accept it?

[Ravenblack]

So now there's a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition!

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-results-dup-conservative-theresa-may-petition-deal-northern-ireland-a7783021.html

Why can people (generally left wing) not accept democratic decisions in this country? Labour LOST. Do people not get that? May might need to go into Coalition with the DUP to form a Government as she was 8 seats short of a majority, but she still got over FIFTY SEATS more than Corbyn. And Sturgeon slagging off Theresa May can pipe down too. SNP lost over 20 SEATS, (that went mostly to Conservative!!!) So she has no right to be up on the moral high ground!

Moreover, the whingeing left-wingers would not be moaning and griping if Labour had gone into a coalition with the DUP. It's a case of May can do no right in the eyes of some.

It was the same with the EU referendum. We're not happy with the democratic result of the people, so we will start a petition! And then it turned out 10's of 1000's of signatures were fake!

Why can people not just accept the result? Let's face it, if Corbyn had won, the people who aren't so keen on him would have sucked it up!

And also, let's not kid ourselves; Corbyn got many of his votes by promising the world on a plate, you name it, he was going to deliver it. Free this, free that, benefits for everyone, free uni fees, free school meals, bedroom tax gone, ESA assessments gone, benefit cap gone. Baby unicorns, and a million pounds for everyone!

No WAY would he have been able to deliver what he was promising, and many people know that.

Then after 5 years of undoing EVERYTHING the Conservatives have done, the economy would be screwed, Conservatives would have got back in, and they would have had to spend five years sorting it out. Leaving us in a worse position than we are in now. Do people not get that? Are they so blindsided by this ruggedly handsome urban hero promising the world, that they can't see what a monumental fuck up he would have made of the economy?

I think the young were entranced by him, as he became an urban hero, and was engaging and charming and likeable, whilst May was awkward and stiff. Anyone who said anything against Corbyn, and showed support for May was lambasted.

This ludicrous petition is not going to change anything. Conservatives won. They are going to go into a coalition with the DUP. May is not going to resign. Deal with it.

My mind is boggling at the thought processes going on on this thread! OP you are hilarious.

Thanks for getting the word out OP you convince me to sign.

I'm sorry, but banging on about "The conservatives won, shut up and get over it" shows a woeful lack of understanding of democracy on the part of posters like @Ravenblack.

Democracy is all about the voice of the people - it literally means power or rule by the people. Elections and election results are an important part of how the will of the people is expressed, but by no means the only part. We have the right to express our views and opinions about how we are being governed at any point, and even if they are not the views of the party who won the most recent election.

A motivated, intelligent and strong opposition (both the official and unofficial Opposition parties in Parliament, and grass roots opposition arising outside Parliament) is a vital part of government, because it makes sure that the government hear opposing views. If no dissenting voices are allowed, we end up with tyranny.

So stop telling people to shut up. They are exercising their democratic right to express their opinions.

Conservatives didn't win you utter moron.

You're my friend,aren't you? I didn't realise you were on MN...
No,I don't have to be happy with the current situation,no-one ( as a PP said) voted for a Tory DUP coalition.
If Labour was planning to ally with them I would be equally unhappy and disgusted.
And actually,no - the only person to blame here IMO is T May - she called the election,the results aren't what she wanted,no- one is forcing the Tories to ally with the DUP.They could say ' no,their values and aims are not ones we share,we do not plan to work with them'
But they haven't.
And it was kind of annoying post Brexit to be regularly told that that was democracy and I should be happy about it.It's not my job to be happy about any old result,democracy means I have a right to disagree and be unhappy.

No. What's pathetic is forming a government with a bunch of racist misogynistic homophobes and terrorist sympathisers.

To be fair, Teresa May has actually. achieved something pretty remarkable.

She took a huge Tory lead - double figures iirc - and lost pretty much all of it.

That's quite some going.

@DumbledoresApprentice

sorry!!!!!

I thought I was copying the OPs username but I fucked up the page and he copying.

Sorry to bring up the NS thing but I do think OP has a point and I mentioned similar on a previous thread, although you could never say she called it because of NS what you do have are two similar (stubborn) women who as a rule don't do backing down. NS kept repeating/goading that May was an unelected PM, May was refusing to give NS a 2nd Indy Ref (at this moment in time but it wasn't completely off the table)May decided to call an election to give herself a stronger mandate and to be a 'voted for PM' and it backfired on her but it also gave the people of Scotland a chance to tell NS what they thought and it caused a spectacular own goal for NS where any possibility of a 2nd Indy Ref has now been kicked into the long grass. It's what happens when you have two 'bloody difficult women' locking horns. Neither has come out the winner.

Actually typing that reminds me a bit of me and my Dsis,😉(obviously the fallout has no effect on the country)

With regards to the petition, I don't know whether I am missing something but doesn't this give Ireland a stronger voice on Brexit. Sinn Fein don't take up their seats in Westminster so they can't but having the DUP surely has to be better for Ireland. I know it's not all about Brexit but it's the imminently and most pressing matter facing U.K./Ireland and talks are in 10 days. There will be another general election soon anyway so if people really don't like the coalition then it gives Labour a shoe in.

Democracy is all about the voice of the people - it literally means power or rule by the people. Elections and election results are an important part of how the will of the people is expressed, but by no means the only part. We have the right to express our views and opinions about how we are being governed at any point, and even if they are not the views of the party who won the most recent election.

Indeed. Reminds one of some of the whining poor winners after the referendum.

You can't have a proper democracy without free speech, which includes the right to complain. If you just want people to be able to cast a ballot but not have the right to say anything about it publicly afterwards, there are a few countries in the world where that's how it is, but I doubt you'd want to live in any of them OP. But if I'm wrong, and that is your aspiration, by all means fuck off to Iran imminently.

Well OP that petition that you posted now has 573,000 signatures so praps you did it a great big favour by posting your erm enlightened drivel

Kokusai- No problem

With regards to the petition, I don't know whether I am missing something but doesn't this give Ireland a stronger voice on Brexit. Sinn Fein don't take up their seats in Westminster so they can't but having the DUP surely has to be better for Ireland.

Assuming you mean Northern Ireland, the problem with that is it gives the losing referendum side in NI a stronger voice. NI voted Remain. The DUP are unrepresentative of their country's population in that respect.

NI is also a pretty polarised society at the best of times and got even more so in this GE. The people who didn't vote for the DUP tend to really, really, really not like them. It's important to understand that. Picking one minority group out of a divided society and amplifying their voice and power doesn't give that society a stronger voice, and nor does it benefit them. The people in NI who hate the DUP aren't going to feel represented just because the DUP hail from the same place of them.

Also, and this hasn't had enough attention, the party with the largest number of members in NI is apparently Labour.

NS didn't force TMs hand in an election any more than JC did.

She had one because she knew had she gone to the Brexit talks without it. She'd have got told to naff off, why should an unelected PM have a say in important brexit talks anyway?

Self interest as per.

Well we are all wrong as it turns out, it was purely Nick and Fionas fault.

Nicola Sturgeon nagged and bullied May into this snap election by crying (a 1000 times) 'you're not the elected prime minister.'

Hahaha!

That will be Mrs 'Strong and Stable' bullied by the leader of a minority UK party? best she goes now then or the EU will have her for breakfast. (BTW, they will anyway).

Anyway, you can't argue with stupid so that's all I can bothered to say on the subject.

Signed! 584,545 so far...
Thanks for the link OP!

YANBU.
I voted Labour and yes, I agree. I view it as trying to overturn the democratic decision. Everyone should just accept it and move on. Grumbling permitted though, because it's a massive shitstorm!

Well the Tories did actually win in that they got more votes. They just could ensure the queens speech got through as they did not have more votes than everyone put together. And yes OP, I'm fed up of (usually lefties) being so fucking entitled that they ignore democracy at every turn, we are leaving Europe because that's what most people voted for. We have a Tory government because that what most people voted for (DUP are trying to keep some universal benefits and the triple lock btw). Don't try and over turn democracy with a bloody petition

max you're lambasting "lefties" for ignoring democracy by ignoring their right to protest which is core in a democratic society?

Cracking

There is nothing undemocratic about petitions or protests. The right to do so is a cornerstone of our democracy. Politics doesn't just happen once every five years at election time. Young voters were energised. And not just them - turnout was unusually high across the board. It's important those young and first time voters don't switch off and feel ignored - because a Tory DUP deal is absolutely not what they voted for. If these petitions/ protests keep them politically engaged that is undoubtedly a good thing. And to be honest, anyone who doesn't think more young people engaging and voting is good for our democracy, maybe isn't such a fan of democracy after all.

But again for those who are finding it a chore - NOBODY is signing a petition to oust the Tories. They are signing a petition against a union with the DUP - and quite frankly I cannot understand how anybody would find it acceptable to have fundamentalists with any sort of sway in parliament

Please, if anyone thinks the DUP are remotely OK, read this. It explains all the corruption scandals the DUP have been involved in - not least the way they were apparently used as a laundering service (possibly by the Saudis, bizarrely) to promote Brexit on the British mainland:

www.georgiagrainger.co.uk/politics/shame-game-dup/

Dumbledore :o

This is getting quite confusing. It's all Nicola Sturgeon's fault AND it's all the fault of labour for voting for the election AND it's all the fault of people who voted for labour!?

At what point does our Theresa put on her big girl pants, give up on the "They made me do it" finger wagging and take a bit of personal responsibility for some foolish, impulsive decisions?

Most teenagers behave more responsibly and they're not even in charge of a whole fucking country!

The DUP won the election OP and it was the bloody Tories who gave it to them on a plate. The UK is now governed from Belfast and Mrs May had better not forget it. Heaven help us all!

@Maxandrubyrubyandmax - you don't understand democracy, do you.

General elections are an important part of the democratic process, but so is effective opposition - which involves people making their opinions known. Protest (non-violent, of course) is part of an effective opposition because it makes different views known to the government.

If we cannot protest, or express different opinions, outside of the voting booth, then we have moved away from a democracy and towards tyranny.