To think it's a bit pathetic to start a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition and the losing team should just accept it?

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So now there's a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition!

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-results-dup-conservative-theresa-may-petition-deal-northern-ireland-a7783021.html

Why can people (generally left wing) not accept democratic decisions in this country? Labour LOST. Do people not get that? May might need to go into Coalition with the DUP to form a Government as she was 8 seats short of a majority, but she still got over FIFTY SEATS more than Corbyn. And Sturgeon slagging off Theresa May can pipe down too. SNP lost over 20 SEATS, (that went mostly to Conservative!!!) So she has no right to be up on the moral high ground!

Moreover, the whingeing left-wingers would not be moaning and griping if Labour had gone into a coalition with the DUP. It's a case of May can do no right in the eyes of some.

It was the same with the EU referendum. We're not happy with the democratic result of the people, so we will start a petition! And then it turned out 10's of 1000's of signatures were fake!

Why can people not just accept the result? Let's face it, if Corbyn had won, the people who aren't so keen on him would have sucked it up!

And also, let's not kid ourselves; Corbyn got many of his votes by promising the world on a plate, you name it, he was going to deliver it. Free this, free that, benefits for everyone, free uni fees, free school meals, bedroom tax gone, ESA assessments gone, benefit cap gone. Baby unicorns, and a million pounds for everyone!

No WAY would he have been able to deliver what he was promising, and many people know that.

Then after 5 years of undoing EVERYTHING the Conservatives have done, the economy would be screwed, Conservatives would have got back in, and they would have had to spend five years sorting it out. Leaving us in a worse position than we are in now. Do people not get that? Are they so blindsided by this ruggedly handsome urban hero promising the world, that they can't see what a monumental fuck up he would have made of the economy?

I think the young were entranced by him, as he became an urban hero, and was engaging and charming and likeable, whilst May was awkward and stiff. Anyone who said anything against Corbyn, and showed support for May was lambasted.

This ludicrous petition is not going to change anything. Conservatives won. They are going to go into a coalition with the DUP. May is not going to resign. Deal with it.

Moreover, the whingeing left-wingers would not be moaning and griping if Labour had gone into a coalition with the DUP.

Was that a full bag of glue you had this morning OP, or just half?

I mean, you're right that the petition isn't likely to do anything, although the Tories would do very well to monitor the level of disquiet this inspires in Middle England. Which it will. But the rest was basically irrelevant: the issue of whether the Labour manifesto was or wasn't bollocks has nothing to do with the legitimacy or otherwise of coalitions with fringe parties and the likelihood that a petition will have any tangible impact.

If after Labour offering all their goodies of free this and free that and more homes and saving the NHS and throwing money at everything, they still couldn't get enough seats to even cobble together a coalition against a party that had the most pathetic and dismally inept campaign.

Let me know how May gets on with the billions of free money she promised the day before the election.

What about no-one addressing the fact that many Muslims do not believe in gay marriage and abortion etc, or many other religions. Nothing on that except 'well THEY are not politicians are they
Nothing like a sly jab at the Muslims eh..

So let's be clear:
A person of ANY religion can personally have views about social issues.
But we don't ban religions because it's a personal choice and personal view.

When a party is office and are potentially about to form government in this country then it matters a hell of a lot what their social views are.

E.g. If someone of the 'I Love Mayonnaise' religion ran for office and told me I must carry a pregnancy to term, wanted to limit gay rights, called breastfeeding in public exhibitionism that stirs up voyeurism then I would have an issue with that because that 'mayonaise' follower is using their religious views to dictate my life.

What 'I love mayonaise' worshipers feel in private is entirely up to them.

I would just like to state as a labour voter that labour would NEVER go in with DUP and if they did we would not be okay with it if so - though it wouldn't happen.

Labour voters have caused this instability

I'm still chortling at this.

Damn those pesky Labour voters, voting for the party they want to instead of voting for Theresa May to try and help prevent her imploding in a giant, self-caused clusterfuck

You might want to talk to the Tory MPs who are currently calling for her resignation. Quite a few of them and quite vocal.

Indeed. Latest is the most senior are telling her to blame her aides instead of herself for an abysmal campaign or they'll be a leadership challenge.

Must be nice knowing you're the right hand man and women to the Prime Minister and seen as expendable.

Perhaps op won't be back and is bowing out to superior knowledge

Damn those pesky Labour voters, voting for the party they want to instead of voting for Theresa May to try and help prevent her imploding in a giant, self-caused clusterfuck

I know. How rude of them. If only they had some more voters that could have got them a majority. Like the conservative voters who switched to ukip/lib dems/labour/greens/the man dressed as a fish finger.

Total arses the lot of them, exercising their democratic right to vote for who the fuck they want. How dare they?

Thanks for the heads up about the petition OP. Signed.
Here to calm your nerves.

I've read comments on quite a few threads today blaming Labour voters for this mess. It's probably best to ignore it but it's really winding me up.

It is, as a pp has pointed out, 4yo logic. "You were mean this morning, Mummy, so you made me draw on the wallpaper/eat the biscuits/wee my pants".

This OP is comedy-gold.

Nicola Sturgeon is to blame for the hung parliament?

Corbynites are to blame for the hung parliament?

What on earth are you thinking OP?!

CONSERVATIVES WON

Erm, no they didn't. They failed to get a majority which is what is required to win a general election. OP should probably acquire a basic understanding of politics before spouting such nonsense. Or is that you, Theresa?

May is an incredibly weak position. Her colleagues have just forced her to sack her two closest advisers. She's now immensely isolated.

From that weak position she has to negotiate a deal with the DUP that will be palatable both to them - an extreme right-wing bunch of swivel-eyed loons who are currently embroiled in a corruption scandal - and to her own Tory colleagues, many of whom are socially liberal and keen to appeal to the broader electorate.

What are the chances, do you reckon?

She is a stubborn old boot who will dig her heels in

Loved this!

Was it
a. Her turnaround over the national insurance for self-employed in the Budget.
b. Her turnaround over calling an election.
c. Her turnaround on her manifesto dementia tax.

that makes you think she digs her heels in?

Or is it her fearless debating skills that makes you think she'll be good at negotiations?

I guess you must believe that no one from the EU follows British politics, right?

I am enchanted by the OP's certainty that the election was called as a result of Sturgeon BULLYING May. It sounds like an extremely strong and stable reason for calling a general election...

Good grief, really OP?

May had so little courage in her own convictions that she caved when Sturgeon 'nagged her'. Combined with her now so desperate for this power she didn't quite get in an election that she will risk our interests just to stay there. You think that's the kind of strength of character we need to negotiate a good deal in Brexit?

Corbyn, in contrast, asked the whole party if they supported him (getting a massive vote too), which saw passions ignited in a previously apathetic sector of society who will inherit this whole mess. He didn't simply assume the public were too stupid to understand the figures his manifesto was based upon and refuse to provide them, he fought for what he believed the people wanted - not his party, not the DUP or Sturgeon.

What argument have you presented exactly for anyone to answer? You made a series of statements that read as though predicated on the sort of over-simplified headlines we've seen littered across the papers and then claimed that because Muslims are against gay marriage that somehow has a bearing on anything. I'm assuming your point was that because leftists advocate tolerance and integration we should also tolerate the DUP's influence but that really would be a stupid comparison.

You sound like you've swallowed a copy of the Sun...

I've never heard JC described as a ruggedly handsome urban hero even by his most ardent supporters. In fact OP seems so defensive in their argument, perhaps they are trying to hide a secret admiration for JC.

dumbledore

Glad that's clear. I'll write my apology letter to Teresa May this evening.

Ooh

Can you post it on here when you have done it? I need a laugh

I think she's a narcissist. In the beginning she looked at times like a rabbit caught in headlights and covering it up with plenty of bravado. I could see behind this, a lack of conviction in her comments. During questioning, you could see he talking to herself, telling herself off for not coming across well. By the end of the electioneering, she looked decidedly vicious. She reminds me of the pigs in animal farm.

No way do we want someone like this in office and negotiating brexit. Behind doors, the atmosphere at no 10 was described as toxic and I'm utterly unsurprised.

There's some amazing logic on this thread. Keep it coming, it's comedy gold.

What about no-one addressing the fact that many Muslims do not believe in gay marriage and abortion etc, or many other religions. Nothing on that except 'well THEY are not politicians are they

Yes, it's almost as if people are more concerned about views held by elected officials with power to make laws enforcing them than they are about those held by private citizens, isn't it? Odd, that.

Dear Theresa May, our great leader,

I'm dreadfully sorry that I didn't vote for you on Thursday. I had foolishly not realised that you had a God-given entitlement to my vote. I live in one of your target constituencies too so my error is especially egregious. By voting for the party of my choice I denied you the coronation you deserved. Please accept my humble apologies, I got all distracted by the free money that the awful Mr Corbyn promised me from his magic money tree. I selfishly tried to enrich myself and the grubby poor at the expense of this country's poor, beleaguered wealth-creators. My poor decision making forced you to ally yourself with religious fundamentalists in order to get the power that my vote was meant to hand to you. I hope this doesn't weigh too heavily on your conscience as it is my fault not yours. Please forgive me,
DumbledoresApprentice

The OP is just winding everyone up so they'll go and sign the petition. It's a reverse.

Oh i like that dumbledores i like that a lot