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To think it's a bit pathetic to start a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition and the losing team should just accept it?

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Ravenblack · 10/06/2017 11:47

So now there's a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition!

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-results-dup-conservative-theresa-may-petition-deal-northern-ireland-a7783021.html

Why can people (generally left wing) not accept democratic decisions in this country? Labour LOST. Do people not get that? May might need to go into Coalition with the DUP to form a Government as she was 8 seats short of a majority, but she still got over FIFTY SEATS more than Corbyn. And Sturgeon slagging off Theresa May can pipe down too. SNP lost over 20 SEATS, (that went mostly to Conservative!!!) So she has no right to be up on the moral high ground!

Moreover, the whingeing left-wingers would not be moaning and griping if Labour had gone into a coalition with the DUP. It's a case of May can do no right in the eyes of some.

It was the same with the EU referendum. We're not happy with the democratic result of the people, so we will start a petition! And then it turned out 10's of 1000's of signatures were fake!

Why can people not just accept the result? Let's face it, if Corbyn had won, the people who aren't so keen on him would have sucked it up!

And also, let's not kid ourselves; Corbyn got many of his votes by promising the world on a plate, you name it, he was going to deliver it. Free this, free that, benefits for everyone, free uni fees, free school meals, bedroom tax gone, ESA assessments gone, benefit cap gone. Baby unicorns, and a million pounds for everyone!

No WAY would he have been able to deliver what he was promising, and many people know that.

Then after 5 years of undoing EVERYTHING the Conservatives have done, the economy would be screwed, Conservatives would have got back in, and they would have had to spend five years sorting it out. Leaving us in a worse position than we are in now. Do people not get that? Are they so blindsided by this ruggedly handsome urban hero promising the world, that they can't see what a monumental fuck up he would have made of the economy?

I think the young were entranced by him, as he became an urban hero, and was engaging and charming and likeable, whilst May was awkward and stiff. Anyone who said anything against Corbyn, and showed support for May was lambasted.

This ludicrous petition is not going to change anything. Conservatives won. They are going to go into a coalition with the DUP. May is not going to resign. Deal with it.

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corythatwas · 10/06/2017 16:24

So now the Labour voters are responsible for making Tory leaders feel so secure in power that they don't feel the need to go down completely irresponsible coalition routes. Hmm

Completely ignoring the fact that other, more principled Tory leaders have been able to abstain from doing under similar circumstances.

squoosh · 10/06/2017 16:25

Damned Labour voters causing instability by not voting for Theresa. Bloody cheek of them. It's enough to pucker one's bum hole in anger.

Let's not focus on the fact that this was entirely self inflicted by our esteemed PM.

BertrandRussell · 10/06/2017 16:28

Surfe jet -can you clarify?

thecatsabsentcojones · 10/06/2017 16:29

I love the assumption that Labour voters wouldn't care if Labour had formed a coalition with the sodding DUP.

Bloody hell OP...bit of a silly sod aren't you?

CivQueen · 10/06/2017 16:30

Labour voters have caused this instability

If you truly choose to believe that then there is no getting round it.

You're an idiot Grin

hackmum · 10/06/2017 16:30

allegretto: "TM has caused the instability for calling an unnecessary election. Surely you aren't suggesting that Labour voters should have voted for her to cover up her error?"

I don't think logic is Puckered's strong suit.

In any case, I wouldn't worry too much about any of this. Tory backbenchers seem to be very unhappy about the potential DUP deal, and I don't think it will last. I suspect they will replace May with someone else who will perhaps have a more consensual approach to Brexit that will appeal to the other parties. (I realise this sounds wildly optimistic.)

DottyDonna · 10/06/2017 16:34

There will Always be people unhappy about election results and they have a right to be unhappy too. Just because they "lost" doesn't mean they have no right to voice their opinion/share their feelings.

Some people are really unhappy about the result. Some people are even hurting. Starting a thread complaining about people complaining (ironic, right?)isn't the way to go. Perhaps if you show a little compassion you might get a less negative response from MN.

Clavinova · 10/06/2017 16:35

Not expressing my personal opinion here but I would like to point out that 127 Conservative MPs voted against same sex marriage in 2013 as did the 8 DUP MPs at the time - the Bill was still passed despite more than 50% of Conservative MPs voting against it - that's democracy. The DUP voted in that debate - did anyone notice they were there?

The move to decriminalise abortion in New South Wales was voted down only a few weeks ago - abortion is an ongoing debate;
www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/vote-to-fully-decriminalise-abortion-in-nsw-is-lost/news-story/cdc32f5dead633e02d4cd8034528f4f8

msgrinch · 10/06/2017 16:37

PuckeredAhole Bless you, not blessed in the brains department are you? Labour voters didn't cause this, they voted in an election just like the Tories.

squoosh · 10/06/2017 16:37

Tory backbenchers seem to be very unhappy about the potential DUP deal, and I don't think it will last.

I can't see it lasting very long either.

JacquesHammer · 10/06/2017 16:38

It was the same with the EU referendum. We're not happy with the democratic result of the people, so we will start a petition

Raven - you are of course aware the petition after the EU referendum was one that had been started by an ardent Brexit campaigner BEFORE the referendum in case it didn't go his way?

squoosh · 10/06/2017 16:40

And as well as the DUP's social conservatism there's the whole 'cash for ash' scandal. So much to learn about the DUP.

Kokusai · 10/06/2017 16:41

@DumbledoresApprentice

So when women were campaigning for the vote - and the first concession was to grant it to over a certain age and householders - should women just have put up with the result and shut up and not kept campaigning and protesting?

Should black people in American not have bothered campaigning and protesting for the human rights bill during the 60s when the previous legislation didn't actually afford them the same rights as white people? Should they just have said "the people have spoken, that's the end of it, let's just carry on using the coloured toilets in Alabahama and keep getting lynched"???

People should campaign for what then believe in and just because something is defeated / doesn't go through / result isn't as they want.

There wouldn't be any other political parties other than the one in power if people didn't keep on fighting for what they believe in.

Boynamedsue · 10/06/2017 16:45

Nicely put kokusai

Democracy is a wonderful thing, it's just a shame that some people think it should stop as soon as they get their way.

tobee · 10/06/2017 16:54

Just like leave voters were bad winners, Tory general election voters are bad winners. Why if the Tories have won and May and her government are so great does it bother you if there's a petition about the Tory/DUP partnership? If it's not going to change anything there's nothing to worry about, is there, op? I'm surprised you're not too busy to post and out celebrating. You sound really rather rattled and trying to disguise this with false bravado.

corythatwas · 10/06/2017 16:55

"Raven - you are of course aware the petition after the EU referendum was one that had been started by an ardent Brexit campaigner BEFORE the referendum in case it didn't go his way?"

I'd forgotten about that Grin

Also everything kokusai said. And as a pp pointed out, the only reason we had the Brexit referendum is because some people were clearly not prepared to accept the previous referendum on entering the EU.

Grimbles · 10/06/2017 16:57

So, according to the OP it's Corbyns fault for getting more people to vote for him and also for getting people to vote against him.

Not forgetting nasty Nicola being a big meanie. That's the kind of logic my 4 year old comes out with sometimes.

Riiiight... Confused

DumbledoresApprentice · 10/06/2017 17:02

@kokusai I agree with you. Not sure where I've given the impression that I don't.

flippinada · 10/06/2017 17:03

The DUP haven't actually agreed to a coalition yet, have they? They're beginning talks, there isn't a formal coalition in place as yet.

The way things are going it might not come to pass.

ssd · 10/06/2017 17:04

thanks for pointing out that petition Ravenblack, I knew you were good for something.

AwaywiththePixies27 · 10/06/2017 17:05

And so what if the DUP are anti abortion & anti gay marriage? Not everyone has to agree with you

Not everyone has to agree with you. Quite. The people signing the petition are doing just that. Not agreeing with their stance.

Still missing the point as to why people in a parliamentary position are meant to be neutral and still be able to hold said views. You've only got to ask May or Farron. I cant see the DUP being as diplomatic as both of them.

flippinada · 10/06/2017 17:06

Anyway, as PP have said, May is on the way out. She'll last a few months at most - that's being generous. I reckon there'll be another GE before the year is out.

AwaywiththePixies27 · 10/06/2017 17:10

What about no-one addressing the fact that many Muslims do not believe in gay marriage and abortion etc, or many other religions. Nothing on that except 'well THEY are not politicians are they

Because there is nothing else to say. They're not standing for parliament so it's not relevant, if they were, then it would be Hmm

AwaywiththePixies27 · 10/06/2017 17:12

Labour voters have caused this instability

No they didn't. May did. HTH.

SmileEachDay · 10/06/2017 17:15

I haven't read the thread. I've read the OP.
The OP is probs being a goady grader.

However, I'm so angry about the DUP and about May and about the stupid expressed in the OP that id like to say this:

OP: fuck off. You're a twat, with no understanding of the issues at stake.

Apologies, HQ. But I'm so, so angry.

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