To think it's a bit pathetic to start a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition and the losing team should just accept it?

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So now there's a petition against the Tory/DUP coalition!

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-results-dup-conservative-theresa-may-petition-deal-northern-ireland-a7783021.html

Why can people (generally left wing) not accept democratic decisions in this country? Labour LOST. Do people not get that? May might need to go into Coalition with the DUP to form a Government as she was 8 seats short of a majority, but she still got over FIFTY SEATS more than Corbyn. And Sturgeon slagging off Theresa May can pipe down too. SNP lost over 20 SEATS, (that went mostly to Conservative!!!) So she has no right to be up on the moral high ground!

Moreover, the whingeing left-wingers would not be moaning and griping if Labour had gone into a coalition with the DUP. It's a case of May can do no right in the eyes of some.

It was the same with the EU referendum. We're not happy with the democratic result of the people, so we will start a petition! And then it turned out 10's of 1000's of signatures were fake!

Why can people not just accept the result? Let's face it, if Corbyn had won, the people who aren't so keen on him would have sucked it up!

And also, let's not kid ourselves; Corbyn got many of his votes by promising the world on a plate, you name it, he was going to deliver it. Free this, free that, benefits for everyone, free uni fees, free school meals, bedroom tax gone, ESA assessments gone, benefit cap gone. Baby unicorns, and a million pounds for everyone!

No WAY would he have been able to deliver what he was promising, and many people know that.

Then after 5 years of undoing EVERYTHING the Conservatives have done, the economy would be screwed, Conservatives would have got back in, and they would have had to spend five years sorting it out. Leaving us in a worse position than we are in now. Do people not get that? Are they so blindsided by this ruggedly handsome urban hero promising the world, that they can't see what a monumental fuck up he would have made of the economy?

I think the young were entranced by him, as he became an urban hero, and was engaging and charming and likeable, whilst May was awkward and stiff. Anyone who said anything against Corbyn, and showed support for May was lambasted.

This ludicrous petition is not going to change anything. Conservatives won. They are going to go into a coalition with the DUP. May is not going to resign. Deal with it.

Have you heard of the Austrian Freedom party? Do you know how popular they are?

Led by Hofer? I certainly have. I remember many Brexiters being bitterly disappointed that he failed in his country's elections. It's funny that British supporters of Hofer, Wilder, Le Pen etc are also big fans of Brexit. It's almost as though they have some shared values.

BUT THE DUP WILL BE IN A POSITION TO MAKE DEMANDS OF THE PRIME MINISTER. SHE WILL NEED TO APPEASE THEN TO ENSURE SHE HAS CONTROL OVER GOVERNMENT. OTHER COUNTRIES IN THE EU DON'T HAVE THAT POWER. HOW IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?!

Ooh, now I know why OP shouts all the time. I do feel a bit better for it.

Also what has the EU really got to do with any of this? You do know that not everyone who opposes DUP are remainers right?

Ah thanks I didn't know about this one.

Signed and shared

And so what if the DUP are anti abortion & anti gay marriage? Not everyone has to agree with you

Yeah so what if the rights of the LGBT community and women's rights are eroded. I mean who cares, right?

Are you deliberately being obtuse?

I'm a leave voter, voted labour in this last election.

DUP can kiss my homo loving, freedom of choice, rights for all, fuck creationism in schools ass.

The DUP are only interested in NI. Nothing will change for the rest of us.

OP

1. Nobody won. No party secured 326 seats.
2. You sound angry and misinformed.
3. Are you Katie Hopkins?

And so what if the DUP are anti abortion & anti gay marriage? Not everyone has to agree with you.

Not 'so what' at all. I don't see how denying women rights to their bodies and denying equality is 'so what'. Those are opinions, ones that are outdated in this day an age, based on religious beliefs that have no evidence behind them. They have no place in lawmaking.

The DUP are only interested in NI. Nothing will change for the rest of us.

Ah that's alright then. Fuck them!

Then you'll have to ban pretty much every religion in the world.

"Europe is far more racist than the UK, but you totally ignore that."

Just remind me- how many countries are there in Europe? So far Austria, Slovenia, France and Poland have been mentioned. I make that four. Either there was something seriously wrong with my Geography teaching, or we are not getting the whole picture here.

And I find it seriously weird to find Le Pen quoted here when the French electorate have just shown very clearly through democratic elections that they do not wish to be governed by her racist party.

"And so what if the DUP are anti abortion & anti gay marriage? Not everyone has to agree with you."

No, but a coalition party means that May will have to agree to letting bills through parliament that she and her Tory voters don't agree with either. They will get something totally different from what they voted for in order to keep her in power.

It's not just a case of accepting the presence of democratically elected MPs in Parliament: it's agreeing to put yourself in their power. John Major did not agree to this arrangement in a similar situation. He was doing the right thing. May is not.

surferjet Sat 10-Jun-17 16:03:54
"The DUP are only interested in NI. Nothing will change for the rest of us."

And if this damages the peace process and NI blows up again? "Nothing will change"- do you remember the IRA? Do you not think (as a pp put it) that we have enough terrorists already?

They'll be another election within 12 months anyway so I wouldn't get too worried about it.

Then you'll have to ban pretty much every religion in the world.

As nice as that would be, you're missing the point. People can have whatever beliefs they like, whether it's about the teachings of Jesus, Mohammad or Dumbledore. They do not have enough substance or evidence behind them to have influence over our countries laws, where people could/would end up in serious trouble for being perfectly normal human beings.

I imagine most of us on the mainland don't know very much about the DUP. The political situation in Northern Ireland, sadly, doesn't get reported in the national press. But this is a really good explanation of what's been happening in NI over the past few months, and it's alarming. It's not just about the DUP's right-wing views - it's about the fact that the system of government is falling apart and our own government has more or less ignored it:

twitter.com/jackbern23/status/873277922429325314

John Major did not agree to this arrangement in a similar situation. He was doing the right thing. May is not.
Exactly.
A deal with the DUP risks destabilising Northern Ireland.

A deal with the DUP drags social issues back a few centuries and gives legitimacy to backwards views.

People mentioning religions being banned don't get it. As a Christian I am pro life. I would not consider an abortion unless there was a medical reason. But that doesn't mean I have the right as a religious person to infringe on other people's choice. So I am also strongly pro choice.

The DUP aren't just pro life. They are anti choice and in favour of forced pregnancy even if it means denying a mother miscarrying an abortion because there's a foetal heartbeat and the mother dies. They believe that they should be able to use their religion to limit the rights of others. That's not ok.

LosingTeam? It's not school bloody sports day, but the future of our country.
It's a bit pathetic to start a thread about winning and losing teams tbh

Sorry, that link doesn't lead to the right thing. Use this: mobile.twitter.com/jackbern23/status/873277922429325314

I don't think posters on here have a clue about Europe tbh.

Funny, that's what I always think when I read posts that say "Europe is.." or "Europeans are..." which completely ignore the fact that Europe is not one indistinct mass and Europeans are very diverse - and ignorant generalizations are just ignorant!

Labour voters have caused this instability.

Labour voters have caused this instability.

TM has caused the instability for calling an unnecessary election. Surely you aren't suggesting that Labour voters should have voted for her to cover up her error?

Labour voters have caused this instability.

Could you elaborate on this please?

Puckered that is absolutely nonsensical. How on earthquake can you blame Labour voters for this?!

Labour voters have caused this instability.

Yes those darn Labour voters, voting for the party they wanted to win.

May caused this, she called the election, then didn't actually try and fight for her party or her job.

So labour voters mustn't moan about the election result or question this coalition/pact (it's not clear what form the deal will take yet). But conservative voters can moan about the election result and blame people who voted labour for weakening the government?
Glad that's clear. I'll write my apology letter to Teresa May this evening.