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He wont admit he has a problem

162 replies

Rriot · 10/06/2017 09:20

DP and I live together with my DS from a previous relationship.

Before we moved in he lived with his parents and I saw him most weekends and we would usually go out for a few drinks.

After we moved in it became apparent that he drinks alot more than I realised. He drinks every night in the house, up to six or seven cans a night. He obviously has built up a tolerance for drinking this amount as he isn't drunk during the week from drinking at home. It later transpired that it has been about ten years since he has had a completely alcohol-free day. He goes out after work at the weekend and will have several pints and this is when he does get drunk. If I'm not out with him he appears home, and I have to put him to bed as he is too wasted to even take his own shoes off. There have been times where he has been sick and I've had to clean him up, he has fallen, and a couple of times has woken up still drunk/sleepwalking and wet the bed. Last night he ended up going to the toilet in the kitchen bin, there was mess all over the kitchen floor and for the first time ever I lost my patience and shouted at him.

Following that, he appeared to sober up and tried to apologise but I am at my limit of how much more I can take.

I tried to explain to him how mentally draining it is to sit at home every Friday, calculating how much money he has taken out with him to work out how much he will have to drink and what sort of state that means he will come home in to mentally prepare myself for what I'll be dealing with. How difficult it is to join him if we go out together and have him poke fun at me in front of his friends because he gets really insensitive when he is drunk. The fact it's damaging his health and I'm worried sick about him.

He thinks that because he is able to hold down his job and that he isn't drunk every night that it's not a problem. He says I knew what I was getting into and if I am so unhappy, why haven't I left him? We are by no means well off either and the amount of money he spends on alcohol is crazy- I never have money to spend on myself but he manages to find it one way or another.

I am suffering from depression and anxiety (present before I even met him, so not as a result of this). More recently (possibly due to the stress of living like this but also due to work and things too) it has been worse and he had quite a frank discussion with me (kindly) about how my moods were affecting all of us and that I needed to address it. I listened to him and have sought treatment and made an effort to improve things and with his support I am feeling a bit better and my moods are no longer taking their toll on our relationship.

He thinks that because it's not a problem with regards to his work or because he isn't having any visible side effects that his drinking isn't a problem. He isn't affected by it but I am and that doesn't seem to matter.

He is an otherwise very affectionate, generous and fun partner. I love him to death which is why I'm not just walking away. I want to find a way to resolve this and help him address his drinking so we can move forward but I know I can't do that until he accepts that his habit is causing him damage and us damage.

DS isn't around when there is drinking going on and isn't directly affected by it but I know this could change and at that point I will have no choice but to leave for his sake but I love my partner and I want to help him, not abandon him. He just doesn't want or think he needs it.

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Onceafortnight · 10/06/2017 14:44

There was a similar thread to this recently on the relationships board. The op got defensive when posters told her how bad it was then came on to say she had had a word with her partner and he had decided to stop drinking, just like that, all over and cured.

In one way you know where you are with your partner. He intends to carry on. Where will he be tonight, how much will he drink, how much will he spend and what state will he be in?

Iamastonished · 10/06/2017 14:45

So, get rid. Honestly, your life will be so much better without him. Seriously, that level of drinking cancels out any endearing qualities he may have. Why do you stay with him? Do you have so little self esteem that an alcoholic is better than being on your own?

You are not responsible for him.

Queenofthestress · 10/06/2017 15:42

OP I'm I've recently left a relationship that was exactly like this (im talking I left something like 2 weeks ago), he was abusive when drunk, spent all the family funds on booze but sweet as pie when he wasn't drunk
It started out like this, only shitty infront of his friends, but then it got worse, I ended up with my house destroyed by holes in the walls from him, my dc changed and could tell (You're kidding yourself if you think he doesn't notice - take that from someone who's lived it) he'd flip at every little thing including stuff like putting rubbish in the bin, moving his slippers, and The dc making too much noise when he was drinking

But now I'm free and it feels amazing, I'm in debt because of him but I'm free

Get out now while you still can, run far far away

user1492692527 · 10/06/2017 15:46

Sadly the lack of acknowledgement means that he isn't anywhere near ready to stop. I would cut my losses and go, or in 5, 10, 20 years time you will be wishing where your life went.

alldaysleeper · 10/06/2017 16:08

Having worked with alcoholics ranging from highly functioning to those drinking until literally the day they die he is not going to change unless he wants it. Not for you, the children or even world peace. You are enabling him to kill himself albeit slowly and painfully. As the child of an alcoholic and being in recovery myself, the children ALWAYS know.

AdalindSchade · 10/06/2017 16:14

Read about codependency and enabling.
You need to remove your child from his toxic influence. If you don't you will be a negligent and irresponsible parent. Sorry.

Bumdishcloths · 10/06/2017 16:24

I don't think you've mentioned how long you've been together? Speaking from experience his behaviour is extremely unlikely to change and, if anything, will get worse. I had a relationship with a similar individual and the drinking was the top of the iceberg. Later on, after he'd charmed his way into my home, began the gaslighting, and emotional and physical abuse.

If you haven't been together very long, consider how you think his behaviour will be in 4-6 months. I guarantee it won't be good.

rizlett · 10/06/2017 16:30

He has read it and basically not acknowledging anything.

because you pick up after him - he doesn't have to face the vomit etc in the morning - because you think that's what loving him is.

Op this isn't love - but you might be very unlikely to see this unless you get some support.

I was exactly where you were - doing exactly the same things as you - but it just doesn't work - the only way it might possibly work is for you to learn not to enable him.

DirtyChaiLatte · 10/06/2017 16:36

You posted on here because you are unhappy with your relationship with your partner.

He can either agree to do something about it and change, or he doesn't and then it's up to you to change something to make your situation liveable for YOU.

If he won't do it then it's up to you. You can't continue on the way you have been.

Isetan · 10/06/2017 16:41

You're the OW and he has no intention of leaving his first love. He doesn't want your help, accept it or get rid. Hand wringing will not change him.

DirtyChaiLatte · 10/06/2017 16:42

You said earlier that He has offered to move out but I know that will just mean he carries on as before.

So he's already made a decision to pick the drinking over your relationship.

He's sending a pretty clear message what his priorities are.

I think you're fighting a solo battle for a relationship that he clearly isn't invested in.

Rantymare · 10/06/2017 18:42

:( this is awful OP. I'm partial to far too much wine myself but I've never ever been drunk enough to wet the bed or piss in the kitchen. That's horrendous.
I've also been in a relationship with an alcoholic myself and those issues all featured in it. I wrote a blog about it- I will pm you.
If you stay, you're subjecting yourself to mental torture. He won't change- he doesn't want to! I completely get wanting to support a partner and if he was recognising he had a problem and wanting to change, it would still be very very hard to go thru
He doesn't
That makes it so so much harder for you if you stay. I also didn't have any children involved with my ex at all.
You should walk. Protect yourself and your little boy from this situation, it WILL esculate.

Violetcharlotte · 10/06/2017 18:51

My ex DP was like this. He drinks 2 bottles of wine every night of the week. Like you, I didn't realise the extent of the problem until I moved in with him, although obviously I knew he liked a drink.

We lived together for a couple of years, but I soon had enough! Like your DP, he had a tolerance and didn't really seem drunk, but he'd ramble on, telling the same stories over and over again, them fall asleep on the sofa. He used to snore for England then wake up grouchy and smelling of alcohol. He would forget conversations we'd had. I just found it boring. He's always say he was going to stop, but it never lasted more than a few days. We spilt up 2 years ago. We're still in touch and I know he's got worse as he's admitted even his teenage kids have told him they're worried about his drinking. But he won't do anything about it.

Hard as it sounds, my advice would be to end it I'm afraid.

LilyMcClellan · 10/06/2017 19:59

basically not acknowledging anything

Well, why would he? He's already dismissing verbal abuse of his partner, loss of bodily functions, blackouts and spending money he doesn't have as "no visible side effects".

PeaFaceMcgee · 11/06/2017 01:34

An alcoholic can't really love you, not really. It's a half life, they're barely there sometimes. His offer to move out sound like he's ambivalent towards you anyway?

I think you need to consider why YOU think YOUR behaviour is ok (it's not, love) Flowers

WhatToDoAboutThis2017 · 11/06/2017 06:45

LTB. This would be an absolute dealbreaker for me. I can't stand alcohol and alcoholics infuriate me.

UKrider · 11/06/2017 06:59

Another vote here for al-anon for you. You can contact them and get understanding of the situation and support for you regardless of what he does/doesn't do.

I also benefited from al-anon as a child. They have special support for kids involved with alcoholic households. It may be helpful for your child too.

GreenRut · 11/06/2017 07:11

Op, he is not going to change and the drink will always come first. He is only threatening to move out to stop you putting any conditions on his drinking. And all that in front of your dc, who might not see the ins and outs of his drinking but is certainly seeing and feeling their mother being stressed out about being treated like shit.

As for the bin episode - who the fuck does he think he is? treating where you live, where your child lives like that?

One thing stands out particularly in your post about how careful you are to make sure you tidy the cans away. I watched my mum doing the same thing for many many years, you aren't doing anyone any favours by opting into this cycle.

Al-anon is what changed my mum's life. I would recommend them.

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Inertia · 11/06/2017 15:59

Of course he isn't going to acknowledge anything. Why would he change? He's got a free home, free food, free housekeeper /nursemaid/personal slave, and he gets to spend all his money and time drinking!

If were just you then it'd just be you gettting dragged down. But you have a child to consider. You need to wake up to the damage you are both inflicting on your child.

PacificDogwod · 11/06/2017 20:54

I am not surprised that you got no response from him.
Denial is a very powerful thing.
He will only acknowledge he has a problem when HE is ready.

YOU have a chance of acting now - change how you respond to his behaviour. YOU have a choice - it is up to you how you use that choice.
Thanks

Dontflyjet2 · 11/06/2017 21:04

Sorry I've just seen you asked me what keeps me with my DH. To be blunt it's because I feel trapped. We have two young children and I can't afford to support them without him. I don't have any family support or good friends nearby to lean on. I am too scared to leave him and face life alone. At this point anyway. I know that our marriage has no future because I don't like being around him.

Rriot · 23/06/2017 22:45

Sorry I abandoned the thread. I found some of the replies hard to stomach, and DP was upset that I'd posted.

He said he'd cut down and I have to admit the past couple of weekends he has come home earlier on a Friday and things have been better although we had a couple of nights out together and we both had too much to drink.

He has been distant the past couple of days and is now out, wont tell me if he's coming home or talk about whats wrong. He has replied to every message I've sent with "Dunno".

I'm so worried about him and not sure if he's purposely being cruel keeping me in the dark or if something has really upset him.

I've stopped messaging him now but have asked him to please come home or let me know he is safe.

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Notcontent · 23/06/2017 23:15

I am so sorry OP. It doesn't sound good. My ex wasn't an alcoholic but he did sometimes go out without telling me and I would be waiting for him to come home drunk... It's a horrible way to live.

Loopytiles · 23/06/2017 23:19

Hmm he has a problem with alcohol. A little cutting back isn't going to help.

You're in denial if you think living with such a heavy drinker and an enabling mother won't be bad for your DC.

Rriot · 23/06/2017 23:50

Thanks for the eyebrows Loopy, very helpful.

I'm worried sick listening to every car pull up and every noise that might tell me he's home Sad

I just want to know he's ok.

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