Why doesn't Corbyn understand that he lost?

[Sittinonthefloor]

I'm totally bemused! He thinks it's an absolutely 'incredible' result and that May should resign. Has no one told him that more people voted for her and the tories have more MPs? The tories ran an appalling campaign, trying to sell hugely unpopular policies, May comes across dreadfully (all twitchy and brittle) yet still more people voted for her - even with all the bribes he was offering. A decent candidate could have won it for labour, (Yvette cooper?) I know there's been a big swing, but still! Not winning against a poor opponent who's run a dreadful campaign is hardly a cause for celebration.

I think young people came out because of Corbyn, but also because of how they were screwed by not turning up to the EU Referendum. Not making the same mistake again.

Plus Corbyn offer freebies with a shiny wrapper of moral high ground and exciting rallys to see and be seen. Can you imagine telling your friends you are going to support TM's speech. You will be totally demolished on social media by your friendship group before you even get there. She is the establishment fgs.

The young always lean to the left.

The young always lean to the left.

So so many of our older generation.

Please stop painting left wing politics as some sort of pie in the sky dreamland which people always reject when they are older and wiser.

This is patently not the case.

He thinks it's an absolutely 'incredible' result and that May should resign.

But... it is an absolutely incredible result. That must surely be obvious to anyone, whatever your political views? And of course he's going to call for her to resign. Standard.

I mean, May called an election a week before the Brexit negotations to strengthen her hand, was predicted a landslide and hasn't even got a sodding majority. That's huge, how can you not see that? To say nothing of the youth engagement this time. Considering that turnout usually rises with age, that plus the pretty high youth turnout in the referendum last year is setting up to be a pretty seismic chance in British politics. It's massive.

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Yes I saw someone else trying that tac,

Bollocks I can't even be arsed to write the appropriate response.

The coalition won't last.

The brexit deal will have to be more measures and less gun hoa.

You can't blame Labour for the Tories getting into bed with the DUP.

Tories called a referendum.

Tories called a snap GE.

The media went all out to back the Tories and slander JC. Everyone from the start said it will be a landslide. Corbyn was a nobody.

Just another thread that shows why people are turned off from politics.

a manifesto that is basically the bible with added bin collections

No one has described the DUP better

I think young people came out because of Corbyn, but also because of how they were screwed by not turning up to the EU Referendum. Not making the same mistake again.

They didn't 'not turn up' to the referendum. Was about 65%, as against an overall turnout of 72%. That's actually a very high youth turnout. If anything, the referendum set the stage for this increased 18-25 engagement with the voting process.

iismum - school age education and health care is paid for by people who work paying national insurance and taxes. Not sure what your point is re freebies.

And as for young people, it was a fact that swathes who could have voted in them at age group did not vote in the referendum. No, that doesn't include all of them - but those who didn't bother getting involved suddenly loving the EU (as opposed to Europe, which some failed to separate) have decided to have a say now it seems, which has brought us (itvserns) to a Tory/dup coalition.

When they voted for JC is that really what they wanted? Any JC fans here thrilled about that actual result instead of just how much better than expected JC did in the election? Given the jubilation, you'd think JC's popularity itself would be running the country. Not what it actually is, y'knuw, Tory/dup. As far removed from JC as possible.

Just another thread that shows why people are turned off from politics.

Eh? By all accounts turn out was high, especially amongst young people.

Any JC fans here thrilled about that actual result

Absolutely, because May is Toast and the Tories are discredited.

Corbyn may not have won overall but if anyone else was leader they would never have called this election. Never risked it. He won because we are no longer completely powerless and the Tories no longer have a majority to do whatever they want

When I mentioned freebe policies, I was thinking of £0 tuition fees. These are clearly a big freebe to new students, that is the point isnt it? No, I am not stupid, but I do understand economics and what is free!(To the recipient of course - not the tax payer!)

Why do people regard abolishing tuition fees as so strange and outlandish? After all, Theresa May herself got her degree on the back of a system with not only no tuition fees, but student grants into the bargain.

Is the Tory-DUP alliance a done deal now?

(I cannot get over the sheer blatant hypocrisy of that by the way - accusing Corbyn of being an IRA sympathizer and then happily jumping into bed with the freaking Loyalists!)

He was up against the weakest possible opposition and he still lost.

Huh? Are you in an alternative universe? That "weakest possible opposition" were 20% ahead in the polls only 6 weeks ago.

All the social media political threads that I have read recently have just proved to me that every contributor can do spin and present a set of events in a way that suits their preferred narrative, just like the mainstream media. Who won, who lost? Time will tell. In 10 days, we suit up for the fencing competition with the EU negotiators. We still need to tackle the social care NHS funding crises and there are real issues around education, security, and more.

Labour would probably have swept the board with a decent candidate. It did welll in spite of Corbyn not because of him

Labour would probably have swept the board with a decent candidate

Such as....?

Moomin - who's in charge today? Oh that's right, toast lady and some other people. Not JC you'll note.

So you think it's great that our current leader is "toast" and tories are discredited. Really odd you're so happy with that, as they'll be running the country as it stands for the next five years and through a Brexit deal. But as long as you're happy they're discredited that's the main thing, hey.

What is the point of saying another Labour leader would have won? The election wouldn't have been called if Labour had a different leader - the whole Tory campaign was predicated on the 'unelectability' of Corbyn (who...erm...kept getting elected). It was a massive personal attack on Corbyn - the terrorist, pacifist, incompetent bloke who was going to lose resoundingly. There would have been no election at all of Corbyn hadn't been so despised.

But - he turned it around. He ran a brilliant campaign and May's inevitable landslide disintegrated into thin air.

Interesting that today it's the right-wing who are making free with the insults - anyone who voted Labour is stupid, gullible, greedy etc... I thought everyone claimed that the right were all too grown up for childish personal attacks and it was only us nasty lefties who called names and stamped feet when it didn't go our way...?

Even the Tories are saying she's Toast!

its hilarious that shes stuck with brexit, no majority and has to suck up to a bunch of right wing religious fundamentalists. pmsl.

thought everyone claimed that the right were all too grown up for childish personal attacks and it was only us nasty lefties who called names and stamped feet when it didn't go our way.

When people know there is truth in what their opponents are saying they get defensive.

The entire right wing establishment fears Corbyn, hence the smear campaign.

He's got the moral
Upper hand, but hasn't 'won' otherwise he'd be PM.

Everyone's lost, one way or another.

This.

I voted Tory for Brexit, and because I didn't want JC in with his manifesto.

Under JC I'd have been heaps better off, as would my kids (I'm a single parent on ESA, with teens).
However, I was painfully aware that I'd be living in a land of milk & honey for app 5 years, by which point JC's manifesto commitments would have chased off a lot of the country's biggest tax givers (the highest earners & businesses), as well as pretty much bankrupting the country.
After that I'm exactly the type of person that would be crushed under the inevitable Tory mopping-up-labours-economic-mess govt, and my kids would be paying for it for decades.

JC may have offered hope in the short term, but I was sharply aware of the misery of the long term.

Now, hung parliament; do we see grown ups working together to agree a consensus & a joined up way forward?

Do we bollocks.
They're all running round demanding sacrifices & trying to destabilise things further - JC included.

The whole shower of them should get a fucking grip & realise that there's a country to run.

"slander Jeremy Corbyn"
"accusing Corbyn of being an IRA sympathizer "

Point of order here. None of the "smears" against Jeremy Corbyn were untrue. You can look back in historical records dating back to 1983, and see the evidence.

That some people are happy to ignore this, or explain it away, is another thing.