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Why doesn't Corbyn understand that he lost?

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Sittinonthefloor · 09/06/2017 14:09

I'm totally bemused! He thinks it's an absolutely 'incredible' result and that May should resign. Has no one told him that more people voted for her and the tories have more MPs? The tories ran an appalling campaign, trying to sell hugely unpopular policies, May comes across dreadfully (all twitchy and brittle) yet still more people voted for her - even with all the bribes he was offering. A decent candidate could have won it for labour, (Yvette cooper?) I know there's been a big swing, but still! Not winning against a poor opponent who's run a dreadful campaign is hardly a cause for celebration.

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CivQueen · 09/06/2017 16:04

Ha ha.

This 'coalition of chaos' is already crumbling.

Five years my arse. Grin

user1471596238 · 09/06/2017 16:05

It was pretty incredible from the starting point that Labour had. I was thinking that if Labour could avoid a landslide defeat then it would be a great result so to end up with a hung Parliament was incredible.

DeleteOrDecay · 09/06/2017 16:06

The young believe anything.

Clearly the young and gullible were the main target audience

How very patronisingHmm

I can totally see why Corbyn feels like he's won, everyone expected a Tory white wash. He managed to do enough to stop that from happening. Good for him and his party.

MoominFlaps · 09/06/2017 16:07

Assume it was the usual terrorist sympathiser/loony left/looks scruffy in a suit guff.

DollsHouseTales · 09/06/2017 16:08

Lean - so you're a youth you say. Well I'm not - I'm middle age - so I have the benefit of a few more years living it, watching it, reading it and paying for all the crap that's gone on before and not only that but seeing the lies and promises that are made in order to get people to vote.

Tony Blair had the same jubilant reaction (although he won). "Things can only get better"... remember that? Or maybe not. I do.

They didn't.

Livinthedream1 · 09/06/2017 16:08

It's always someone else's fault 🙄 Fact is TM had the majority she called an election she lost ground but is still in power - now whose fault is that? Well my money is on TM for calling the election in the first place - stop blaming everyone else. More people in the country voted against her than for her however you glitter that up. No one can deny that.

MoominFlaps · 09/06/2017 16:10

Dolls

Well, both my 51 year old mother and 67 year old father voted Labour too, does their life experience not count then?

I guess it only counts if you vote Tory.

DogStrummer · 09/06/2017 16:11

Spot on bojorojo.

And I speak as someone who was a Labour party member during my student days. I've gone through the conversion of attending poll tax demos in my teens, then voting Tory in my 30's.

People tend to get more Conservative as they get older. Hence why Clegg's argument of a second Brexit referendum (because some oldies will have died off) doesn't hold water.

roundaboutthetown · 09/06/2017 16:11

Of course Corbyn won - he has hugely increased the Labour party presence and power under his leadership against phenomenal odds and doesn't even have to keep all his promises... He has also mobilised more young voters, which is a massively good thing for democracy as it had got beyond ludicrous the lopsided way in which policy was being developed to suit only those expected to vote in large numbers.

The Tories lost big time - they have forcefully proven to the entire world twice over, now, that they are arrogant and completely out of touch; they have no understanding whatsoever of what is going on in the minds of the British electorate.

Leanback · 09/06/2017 16:11

dolls your vote is not worth more than mine just because you have lived on this planet for an extra 20 years.

iismum · 09/06/2017 16:12

Bloody hell, Dolls, you have a very poor opinion of young people. I'm a lecturer and interact a lot with 17-23 year olds. They are largely (not all of course) politically engaged and educated. They weren't just ignoring Brexit for 'freebies' (by the way, do you also consider school-age education and health care as 'freebies') but we're actually pretty motivated by Brexit. They are very aware of how they will miss our through not being European citizens and are desperate to avoid a hard Brexit. Having a chaotic government at this point is not ideal for Brexit, but to many people's minds it's better than the 'hard Brexit, no deal is better than a poor deal, red-white-and-blue Brexit' nonsense spouted by May.

OCSockOrphanage · 09/06/2017 16:14

Despite a truly appalling GE campaign called for opportunistic and cynical reasons, the Tories scraped past the post just in front. I imagine she is breathing a sigh of relief the campaign wasn't any longer or the wound would have been even worse.

Dawndonnaagain · 09/06/2017 16:16

All those young people, gullible ones. Wtf are they doing at university. One of my gullible ones is doing Lit and German, one doing Human Bioscience and one doing his Masters in Lit. The young believe anything. They all think this is nonsense.
Apart from which, moan, moan, moan that the young don't engage and when they do; moan, moan, moan because you don't like the result. Hmm

Imbeingunreasonable · 09/06/2017 16:16

dolls you are extremely patronising and yes I remember the Blair years. Corbyn is the complete opposite of Blair ffs.

Blair should have imo, regulated the banks and the stock exchange, built more social housing, and most definitely not lied about WMDs in the Middle East.

Corbyn is a different brand of Left. He is Old Labour. New Labour (Blair/Brown/Mandelson) is dead! Thank fuck!!

Imbeingunreasonable · 09/06/2017 16:16

dolls you are extremely patronising and yes I remember the Blair years. Corbyn is the complete opposite of Blair ffs.

Blair should have imo, regulated the banks and the stock exchange, built more social housing, and most definitely not lied about WMDs in the Middle East.

Corbyn is a different brand of Left. He is Old Labour. New Labour (Blair/Brown/Mandelson) is dead! Thank fuck!!

DogStrummer · 09/06/2017 16:17

...And I should say that there was an awful lot in the Labour manifesto that I liked, and wanted to vote for.

Living in the Southern Rail region, I would take renationalisation of the railways in a heartbeat. The old, "remember British Rail" doesn't wash anymore.

The abolition of Tuition fees appealed to anyone with kids who were going to go to Uni. It gave them 30,000 reasons to vote Labour. It also implied that existing debt would be written off in some way.

There were no winners in this election. Everyone lost something, except Ruth Davidson I suppose.

roundaboutthetown · 09/06/2017 16:17

Dolls - don't be patronising and ridiculous. My df is in his 80s, so has considerably more life experience than you, and does not remotely view the past and past mistakes in the way you do. He coted Labour. It's called political opinion, not smug idiots thinking they've seen it all.

BillSykesDog · 09/06/2017 16:17

Corbyn's achievement is in proving that an honest manifesto for the majority is electable

Why hasn't he been elected then?

He was up against the weakest possible opposition and he still lost.

Teresa May basically told her core voters that the state would very likely seize almost their entire wealth when they died. Hundreds of thousands of pounds. Telling your key supporters that you intend to seize their wealth and take away their children's inheritance is just about the worst election policy ever. And he still didn't win.

It's a bit pathetic that losing in the least bad way is a cause for celebration.

Nobody won. It's absolutely the worst possible outcome for everybody. And Labour supporters are cheering that the DUP are in government?

CleopatraTheCatLover · 09/06/2017 16:18

How bloody patronising dolls

Achoopichu · 09/06/2017 16:19

I think Corbyn is benefitting from the revenge of the remainers so the amazing labour turnaround is not just down to him.

As a remainer I didn't want TM to have such a huge free hand, so tactically voted against the tories. Would have voted LD if there'd been any point, but the only chance to get blue out in my area was by voting labour. Didn't work - my area is true blue, but I think this is what hasn't happened in lots of places.

We are in a frighteningly bad position now if we proceed with Brexit

DogStrummer · 09/06/2017 16:20

Gah! Mumsnet needs a "like" button. BillSykesDog nails it.

Corbyn did well for Corbyn. Not for Labour.

SquatBetty · 09/06/2017 16:22

I take my hat off to Corbyn.

I had thought he was completely unelectable but what he has done is nothing short of fucking amazing when you consider Labour's serious underdog starting position at the beginning of their GE campaign, plus the lies and filth flung at him by the likes of the Sun and the Daily Heil.

He has, as many have already said, played a blinder.

MoominFlaps · 09/06/2017 16:23

And Labour supporters are cheering that the DUP are in government?

Nope, am cheering because that smug witch May has got egg on her face.

Patchouli666 · 09/06/2017 16:24

One of my Facebook friends voted for the lib dem candidate in her area and was very vocal about it, shared all his posts etc in the days leading up to the election. Today I woke up to him saying he'd not won but was so pleased to have gone from the fourth place he was in last time to third place now. Not once did he mention that he'd actually lost a few hundred votes compared to last time and the only reason he was third was down to no ukip candidate standing ( who was third last time!) I haven t responded yet but I'm having to sit on my hands.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 09/06/2017 16:25

Gah! Mumsnet needs a "like" button. BillSykesDog nails it.

I agree.