Why doesn't Corbyn understand that he lost?

[Sittinonthefloor]

I'm totally bemused! He thinks it's an absolutely 'incredible' result and that May should resign. Has no one told him that more people voted for her and the tories have more MPs? The tories ran an appalling campaign, trying to sell hugely unpopular policies, May comes across dreadfully (all twitchy and brittle) yet still more people voted for her - even with all the bribes he was offering. A decent candidate could have won it for labour, (Yvette cooper?) I know there's been a big swing, but still! Not winning against a poor opponent who's run a dreadful campaign is hardly a cause for celebration.

I can well imagine that 'jump to it boy' Gove will be happy. But he won't win. (The press don't like him)

I like Gove

The right wing press used to lurve him with his trashing of experts and the teaching profession.

Ha! Gove's been sent out to pasture as the Environment Secretary.

Hopefully he'll make the pasture lush and green, then.

Oh Charma ... and there was I thinking we might have some kind of understanding going on

There is the possibility that all the Tories rally around TM because the alternative is a JC government. With the new fixed term parliament and the DUP it might be impossible to force another election. TM takes us through until after Brexit and then elects a new leader. Can JC hold together a serious opposition for 5 years? Dianne Abbott back in the cabinet, maybe another vote on supporting trident, what if there is an issue where NATO is needed, can they oppose the great repeal bill... JC is no longer the underdog, he will have to start taking responsibility for things, it could be an interesting 5 years if the Tories want it to be.

In reality May can afford a few backbench dissenters.

Under normal circumstances, certainly. Most votes in the Commons don't attract anything like a full turnout. Even factoring in pairing arrangements etc, although I don't know whether Labour will be up for those this Parliament because of the closeness of the numbers. But either way, it likely wouldn't be a problem for day to day, bread and butter things.

However, on big issues, anything that inspires the other parties to all turn up, she is exceptionally vulnerable. It's not just about dissenters, although there'll certainly be those, it's about logistics too. As I said upthread. You take any group of 318 people in busy and stressful jobs, some of whom will be obliged to spend a lot of time a flight away, and there are going to come occasions when they can't all make it to the same location in Central London at once. Even with the best will in the world, which there won't be.

WRT May trying to get a more formal arrangement with the DUP. I don't agree with those saying she's erred there. I genuinely don't think she could've done anything else if she wanted to stay in her job.

I'm so, so sorry Flo 😩

Truly I am 😔

He makes me laugh though (when he's not screwing people over).

But when Gorge Osborne calls her a 'dead woman walking' ? The proverbial is hitting the fan.

Corbyn won the voters in Kensington. They voted for him. Is that not enough?

Sorry Charma I'm trying but I'm not feeling it. Although I guess I did laugh that time he shafted Boris Johnson. Does that count?

It was predicted that May would win with a massive majority as Corbyn was so bad but he proved them wrong.
Yet now the same type of people are saying that he should resign as he is a liability as he didn't win.
He achieved so much more than predicted which make him a winner in my eyes.

Except the DUP opposed some of their key manifesto promises. Like ending the triple lock on pensions. The DUP are also totally opposed to the idea of walking away with no deal from the EU. May's "no deal is better than a bad deal" talk is now thankfully over at least

I think they also want to keep winter fuel contributions.The Tories may have to drop all of these. It won't be the first time a party hasn't kept all its manifesto promises.

Are the other parties going to criticise the Tories for dropping policies the other parties didn't approve of in the first place? If you were a Tory voter and approved of these- tough luck - where else can you go?

To add to your excellent points Jamie the boundary changes in two years will also benefit the Tories.

I agree the election has played to Corbyn's strengths in a way that a lot of us hadn't expected. And they do need to win back Scotland if they're going to have any realistic hope. But whereas before, I didn't think they had it in them, now I think maybe they just might....

Asked Corbynisters at my uni why they voted Labour and had they read any/all manifesto(s). Top answers were ' because he's going to get rid of fees and we'll get more money for all the stuff which directly affects us', 'no' and 'why'. The vast majority got their political information in social media sound bites. They didn't stop to consider how Corbyn was going to fund extra spending but they are confident that the bank of mum and dad will stump up. So that's okay then.
May was arrogant, badly advised and is a very poor communicator. Her party still got more votes.
Corbyn's still banging the same drum but until the election his own party was desperate to ditch him, complaining that he was isolated, intractable and dismissive of any agenda but his own. His party lost.

Turns out, Jeremy Corbyn's a good speaker. This gives the impression that he only appeared ineffectual before because the mainstream media and his own party had him muzzled. So he found a way of getting past that... Pretty canny, really

Pity he didn't make more of his commanding oratorical and troop rallying skills during the EU referendum then give the huge leave vote in Labour heartlands.

Corbyn has reinvigorated the Labour Party, and has done a phenomenal job in engaging the apathetic & the youth vote in particular.

He's dragged the narrative of politics away from the back stabby, charm & smarm of New Labour & Cameron/Osborne.

I think he ran an outstanding campaign & all credit to him is deserved.

However, he still didn't manage to do enough to win & still needs to prove his abilities as Leader of the party outwith the campaign trail.
What he does next is what I'm most interested in now.

Corbyn's still banging the same drum but until the election his own party was desperate to ditch him, complaining that he was isolated, intractable and dismissive of any agenda but his own. His party lost.

He was all of those things then suddenly we get this amazing turnaround in 2 weeks. I find his behaviour odd. If he could turn this on in the last couple of weeks why not before? And particularly why not during the EU referendum? Cameron caused the initial mess but Corbyn didn't help.

Same here.

Sorry that was in response to Charma's post.

I think Corbyn still has to show whether he's suited to the cut and thrust of daily opposition - which I think is an important job. But he now has a kind of aura that he didn't have before. People are already treating him differently. Whereas May is now just a joke.

Pity he didn't make more of his commanding oratorical and troop rallying skills during the EU referendum then give the huge leave vote in Labour heartlands.

Why would he? We are talking about a man who wants Brexit, and would end a marriage/break up a family before he would compromise on his own political views. He is going to speak out against his own political wished to keep his job? Seems unlikely.