Why doesn't Corbyn understand that he lost?

[Sittinonthefloor]

I'm totally bemused! He thinks it's an absolutely 'incredible' result and that May should resign. Has no one told him that more people voted for her and the tories have more MPs? The tories ran an appalling campaign, trying to sell hugely unpopular policies, May comes across dreadfully (all twitchy and brittle) yet still more people voted for her - even with all the bribes he was offering. A decent candidate could have won it for labour, (Yvette cooper?) I know there's been a big swing, but still! Not winning against a poor opponent who's run a dreadful campaign is hardly a cause for celebration.

We have a conservative government, and we have it for a reason.

Labour didn't perform anything LIKE the Conservatives did at the ballot box. There was one question, the majority, but that can be solved through persuading 9 MPs to vote with them.

Corbyn's take on losing the election meaning he wins is the same as his take on spending and taxes - fantasy.

Corbyn could be focusing on reshuffling his shadow cabinet. May's already announced.

can be solved through persuading 9 MPs to vote with them

...and ensuring every single one of their own MPs turns up to every single vote and that none of them rebel. Easy, right? Probably as easy as securing a thumping win in a GE you called when you were 20 points ahead in the polls. Oh, wait...

We have a conservative government

Um, no, we don't. The Tories need the DUP to form a government and Downing Street prematurely announced this weekend that a deal has been struck when it hasn't. Negotiations are on Tuesday and the Irish PM is already voicing concerns.

If the government were in such a bad way then why did they call an election - and piss away a perfectly good majority - when they didn't need to?

Because they thought Labour was in a weak position and Corbyn was weak and useless and that no one would vote for him, therefore the conservative position would be further strengthened.

Have a quick click on this thread

and this one

and this one

and you will see just how practically everyone (especially Theresa May) thought it would go.

Makes quite funny reading now!

Cup apparently he's delaying his reshuffle to "take the fight to the government".

Thank you for the links. They are comedy gold. Yet now they wrote saying JC us a disgrace.

I'm not aware that Corbyn needs to reshuffle. He didn't lose any of his cabinet, did he?

And yes, Theresa May called an election for the simple reason that she thought she would walk it. Instead she's having to do deals with the DUP to save her sorry arse.

The Tories need the DUP to form a government

No, they don't!

They have more seats than all the other parties + the independent MP (excluding the DUP).

So why bother trying to do a deal?

Errr .... yes they do. They do not have a majority.

All the left wing MPs put together would still be a smaller number than the Tory MPs though, even if they got the Lib Dems to vote with them. So they would have the same problem May has now if they tried to form a government.

I don't see that Labour need to be doing anything really, aside from consolidating their upward rise and watching the Tories disintegrate.

150,000 new members in 3 days and now 6 points ahead in the polls.

They're not the ones who need to panic.

I can see where Charma's coming from. The DUP nearly always vote with the tories anyway so they might have been better off not spelling out the arrangement. In which case she's made yet another bad call.

So they would have the same problem May has now if they tried to form a government.

Actually they would have even more trouble they would never get a Queens Speech through.

Tories wouldn't vote for it and neither would DUP. Leaves Labour votes short even if everyone else votes for it.

But they will need the DUP vote with them in parliament to win votes. Anything the DUP vote against won't pass. That's why they need the deal.

Yes but DUP tends to vote the same way as them anyway.

The Tories need the DUP to form a majority government. They could still try for a minority government by themselves. In theory the others could all get together and oppose them, but realistically that's not going to happen as the Tories are probably the only people who'd go into partnership with the DUP.

However, May would also have to get the formation of a minority government past the 1922 Committee. Followed by the Queen's Speech, which in theory all the other parties could decide to oppose together even if they didn't want formal coalition after that.

This is why she's trying to pursue an arrangement with the DUP now: shit as it is, it's probably slightly less ruinous for her than the alternative.

Why are they comedy gold it's wasn't a landslide as predicted and Labour will still be in opposition

As Labour will still be in opposition (as my German and Frenchs friends said only in the U.K. would that be something to celebrate) and with a party very much divided there is a lot of work to do and if you think that it's all going be a bed of roses and the party are going to unite and all will toe the line with the party being taken further to the left becuase now they have a mandate and that is what is going to happen, you know little about it the party it's going to be a struggle and the Tories will always pull themselves together to keep in power or to gain power (they are the most successful political party ever) Labour do not and I doubt that is going to change drastically

Now Corbyn will soon have to drop the campaigning and get to do some real leadership work which he has been very poor at so far

It takes far more than being good on the campaign trail to lead a party the good result won't keep him in his position of leader of the party for long if he doesn't do better than what he did before

Once the Speaker, his deputies and Sinn Fein MPs are taken out of the equation about 320 would be a practical majority I believe. The Tories have 318, they aren't even going to need the DUP all the time. And Labour, the Lib Dems, SNP and others would have to be completely united to defeat them on any vote. In reality May can afford a few backbench dissenters.

Except the DUP opposed some of their key manifesto promises. Like ending the triple lock on pensions. The DUP are also totally opposed to the idea of walking away with no deal from the EU. May's "no deal is better than a bad deal" talk is now thankfully over at least.

In which case she's made yet another bad call.

Possibly, yes.

She needs 6 (?) more MPs than she has to guarantee getting the Queen's speech & a budget through - this is why she needs the DUP on a supply & confidence basis.

Just think - if the PLP had actually supported their own leader from the start, rather than joining with the Tories to trash him and go out of their way to point out his weaknesses, the result of the election might have been different (or the Tories would not have risked an election after all. Turns out, Jeremy Corbyn's a good speaker. This gives the impression that he only appeared ineffectual before because the mainstream media and his own party had him muzzled. So he found a way of getting past that... Pretty canny, really.

Anyway I don't want to worry you but it would appear that Mr Gove has had The Call.

From which grim reaper?