Why doesn't Corbyn understand that he lost?

[Sittinonthefloor]

I'm totally bemused! He thinks it's an absolutely 'incredible' result and that May should resign. Has no one told him that more people voted for her and the tories have more MPs? The tories ran an appalling campaign, trying to sell hugely unpopular policies, May comes across dreadfully (all twitchy and brittle) yet still more people voted for her - even with all the bribes he was offering. A decent candidate could have won it for labour, (Yvette cooper?) I know there's been a big swing, but still! Not winning against a poor opponent who's run a dreadful campaign is hardly a cause for celebration.

May should stay PM until after after Brexit has been sorted. Boris can take over in 2019.

For all May's many, many, many flaws, I don't know that anyone else from within the ranks would do a better job.

Boris is poison, he trashed his reputation with his conduct in the referendum. Rudd doesn't have a safe enough seat and if there were a new GE with her as PM, we might well see withdrawals from the Lib Dems and Greens in her constituency. Gove is loathed.

I think if they did replace her it would be Hammond. He was mostly out of the way during the campaign so is as untainted as any leading Tory can be, and as a former Remainer now soft Brexiter, he better fits the mood of the moment. But his approval ratings are very low too, lower than May's.

Also disagree about May's plans for GE only being beneficial to her. She called it because she thought the Tories would get a landslide and fuck Labour for a generation, and obviously that would benefit the wider Conservative Party as well as her. I don't think the fact that she was wrong changes that.

Floisme, I was going to agree but then look at Jeremy Corbyn! He was laughed at by everyone but look who's laughing now...

Osborne doesn't think she is but he has his own personal axe to grind and is embarassing himself by doing that very publicly.

I see Davis or Johnson as May's current possible successors. Both are coming out in support of her and staying in their cabinet posts.

sweet Apart from Boris Johnson, I can't recall the Tory party or the Sun or the Mail laughing at Corbyn. They might have done a lot better if they had. What they mostly tried to do was smear him and it failed.

As to whether Theresa May was working for her own glory or that of the conservative party: whose name was all over the side of their bus?

For all of Jeremey Corbyns trying to force a vote of no confidence or alternative Queens speech he still needs numbers to vote against the Conservatives or Theresa May and I will say it again
He doesn't have the numbers or is he so naive to think an elected conservative or dup MP is going to suddenly vote against their own party.

It is quite worrying that he really can't add up

I'm sure Corbyn understands the maths perfectly. What I'm not sure of is whether some posters understand what being leader of the opposition entails.

So what is he trying to prove

Just watched him on Andrew Marr - when asked about whether he supported cross-party approach to Brexit (as suggested by Ruth Davidson) he said 'No'.

That's that then.

Jezza is choosing intransigence over pragmatism.
No better than TM then in that respect.

So what is he trying to prove?

He's pushing at the government while they're in (self inflicted) disarray - his job.

He knows it's only a matter of time before this government falls apart (all on its own) so he's gearing up for another general election. He knows he still has a lot of ground to make up so he's talking about putting out an alternative Queen's Speech to ensure the Labour Party's policies get the widest possible hearing. Again, that's his job.

I think that's true. My son never reads the newspapers and I'm amazed sometimes at how much he knows. I'm not sure whether even Rupert Murdoch can control the Internet.

*Labour's Brexit promise of tariff free access to the Single Market alongside controlled immigration was a promise which May could not really match since she was the one at the sharp end and such a promise is never going to be accepted by the EU. It's easier to promise you can do something if not called upon to do it and easy to criticise someone for failing to get your definition of a good deal if you're not the one that has to get it.

She has probably hastened what would have happened at some stage in the next 2 years in other words.*

YY.

So what is he trying to prove

Erm, that he wants May to step down?

May won the most seats by a significant margin in the midst of Brexit wrangles, domestic terrorist attacks and austerity. She is succeeding in uniting her cabinet behind her, she's no joke. May gets things done and quickly, that's what we need roght now.

Corbyn ought to be concentrating on voicing how Labour can build on this election result and further clarifying Labour's position on Brexit prior to the Tories entering negotiations.

He's there to challenge government policy and present different and viable alternatives. Not try and bring down the government and to hell with what that means for the country. He also needs to stop the comparisons to the 70s, they don't help him.

Completely agree tiggytape.

She's totally a joke. She had a working majority and absolutely no need to call an election.

What she has done is the equivalent of winning the Cup FInal 2-0 and then holding it again because you really wanted to win it 6-0, only to scrape through the replay in extra time on a dodgy penalty. Yes she may still be holding the cup for now but she's made herself a laughing stock.

Boris said it in his tweet.

'Mail on Sunday tripe - I am backing Theresa May. Let's get on with the job.'

If she's relying on Boris Johnson for support, she's in even deeper shit than I thought.

The backing of her top cabinet ministers and main leadership rivals is exactly what she needs and what I would expect to see immediately after an election that has returned them to government. May isn't going anywhere for now.

They're backing her publicly because they always present themselves as a united team. (I'm not a Tory voter but I do admire them for that.) Behind the scenes it will be another matter. Look at what happened to Margaret Thatcher - as soon as her party perceived her as a liability, they ditched her. If they did that to Thatcher, do you really think they'll have any compunction in getting rid of Theresa May?

Both parties are in some trouble though - a cross Party approach to implementing any referendum was a great idea since there is no mandate for hard Brexit and we are all in it together.