Why doesn't Corbyn understand that he lost?

[Sittinonthefloor]

I'm totally bemused! He thinks it's an absolutely 'incredible' result and that May should resign. Has no one told him that more people voted for her and the tories have more MPs? The tories ran an appalling campaign, trying to sell hugely unpopular policies, May comes across dreadfully (all twitchy and brittle) yet still more people voted for her - even with all the bribes he was offering. A decent candidate could have won it for labour, (Yvette cooper?) I know there's been a big swing, but still! Not winning against a poor opponent who's run a dreadful campaign is hardly a cause for celebration.

Doing that to Thatcher ripped them apart for a generation. They won't want a repeat.

I think they recognise now isn't the time.

Call me cynical but bojo can't lead because he's a hardline brexiter and hard Brexit has been comprehensively rejected. Plus Brexit is a massive stinking pile of poo that will sink whoever has to implement it.

Is the current Regime legitimate?

Dumping Thatcher won them another election. They will absolutely repeat it if they think it will help.

You may have a point about the timing. I could see them deciding to let her flounder on a little longer but I can't see them forgiving and forgetting and why should they? She's made a dreadful and totally unforced blunder.

"The Conservative Party is an absolute monarchy moderated by regicide". - William Hague

I'm quite sure that no sensible Tory would want to take over the leadership now, with the Brexit talks starting so soon.

Once they're underway, and there's been a bit of breathing space, say towards the end of the year or early next year, then moves will be made.

In the meantime, they close ranks and pretend they're all standing solidly shoulder to shoulder. Madness otherwise.

NoLottery Hard Brexit hasn't been comprehensively rejected. May received the largest public vote. Out means out unless we keep Freedom of Movement and ending that is what a lot of Leavers voted for in the first place.

In their manifesto Labour say FOM will end but they want to remain in the single market. The EU said no to Cameron and they'll say no to May or Corbyn.

May recognises Brexit means Brexit and we just need to leave as swiftly as possible now.

there is no mandate for hard Brexit and we are all in it together.

That's not what Corbyn and McDonnell have said today.

Still out of single market as the Labour manifesto said.

Once again, there was no need for a public vote.

She claimed to be calling an election to strengthen her hand in the Brexit negotiations. What she has achieved is the exact opposite. No negotiator is going to take her seriously now. Why should they?

Corbyn & McDonnell are just coming across as a bit deluded on Brexit now (and completely wilfully disingenuous).

They know, as we all do, that no freedom of movement = no single market, yet are still maintaining that 'Labour would negotiate tariff free access to the single market, with no freedom of movement'.

Why is nobody calling them out on this?!
(Political interviewers I mean).

No negotiator is going to take her seriously now. Why should they?

Because she is PM of this country same as she was last week (a weakened majority but still PM.

She's a lame duck PM which, whoever you normally vote for, is the worst possible kind.

As for why interviewers are suddenly backing off Corbyn and Mcdonnell, it's because, they're in the driving seat at the moment.

Which is exactly why the interviewers should be challenging them.

Maybe but that's not how it works. Like I say, even though they didn't win, they're in the driving seat right now and they're being treated with a bit more deference.

Charmageddon I expect it will quickly become obvious that Labour's position on Brexit is untenable when Brexit negotiations begin. Brussels position on no FOM, no 'retaining the benefits of the Single Market' will be very clear.

I expect the negotiations to be far more about how we go about the mechanics of leaving and what we contribute financially before we go. Not what benefits we keep and what we don't, Cameron already tried that. It's not how the EU works and they give that to us, they have to offer it to Norway and so on.

We're leaving, that's it. I voted for May's realistic approach.

No negotiator is going to take her seriously now. Why should they?

Indeed. Is there really any legitimacy here?

Corbyn isn't in the driving seat, I don't see him appointing cabinet ministers or preparing to join talks in Brussels.

He's there to challenge government policy and present different and viable alternatives. Not try and bring down the government and to hell with what that means for the country.

Once again, trying to bring down the government is exactly what he's there to do. Although, as I said upthread, if May does fall, it will be her own party doing it. The leaders of the major opposition parties calling for her head is standard issue, only to be expected.

You also cannot possibly assess whether she's a joke or not until the 1922 Committee meet. We don't yet know what the backbenchers will have to say, and if they don't like the Cabinet she's assembled enough to back it, she won't be PM.

Agree about the press easing off though. It's ridiculous that they only seem to be interested when they think someone's on the back foot. They should have been holding both her and Corbyn to account during the campaign (and tbh a lot of the cricitism of him was so stupid and hyperbolic that, paradoxically, it didn't function as effective scrutiny and people dismissed it- so in some ways he got away with a lot). And they should also be doing it now. Not just focusing all their attentions on him before the result and on her after.

I don't see him appointing cabinet ministers or preparing to join talks in Brussels

I would say bankbenchers on all sides are in the driving seat now.

It's a good time to stand up for what you believe in as an MP and to stand up for your constituents.

*I would say bankbenchers on all sides are in the driving seat now.

It's a good time to stand up for what you believe in as an MP and to stand up for your constituents.*

Absolutely agree with this.

Am not ignoring the replies to me btw! - just realised I must seem really rude, soz!

I'm finding this thread really interesting now that it's moved on from Tory vs Labour top trumps.

Trying to bring down the government is exactly what he's there to do.

Not at the time Brexit negotiations are beginning and we've had two major terrorist incidents on domestic territory within the last few weeks. People want government, leadership, stability, safety.

At this specific point, I would have said the Tory backbenchers specifically were in the driving seat, and the DUP also. The rest are irrelevant at least right now. That will obviously change, but for the next couple of days, it's the Tory backbench.

Hence, Corbyn isn't actually able to do anything other than tubthumping from the sidelines at the moment. The posts saying he shouldn't be doing that are missing the point, because calling for May's resignation is all he, and Sturgeon and Farron, actually can do at this point. The fact that he's doing that is evidence he isn't able to do any more. For now. The 1922 Committee have the ball and we are all waiting to see how they want to play it. Once they make their choice, it's open season.

The posts saying he shouldn't be doing that are missing the point, because calling for May's resignation is all he, and Sturgeon and Farron, actually can do at this point

I agree but it is also giving people false hope that don't get that he can't currently be PM without another GE.