Why doesn't Corbyn understand that he lost?

[Sittinonthefloor]

I'm totally bemused! He thinks it's an absolutely 'incredible' result and that May should resign. Has no one told him that more people voted for her and the tories have more MPs? The tories ran an appalling campaign, trying to sell hugely unpopular policies, May comes across dreadfully (all twitchy and brittle) yet still more people voted for her - even with all the bribes he was offering. A decent candidate could have won it for labour, (Yvette cooper?) I know there's been a big swing, but still! Not winning against a poor opponent who's run a dreadful campaign is hardly a cause for celebration.

To quote Whitney Houston "I believe the children are our future"
Dds school had an election and Labour won by a landslide majority. They made their own decision. My Dd voted Lib Dem when DH is Conservative and me Labour.

Not fraud incompetence Did you hear about that marginal Conservative seat Plymouth water where,6500 Labour votes failed to be counted in the final declared result. Labour still took the seat without them. But I guess this story doesn't suit your agenda but your personal anecdote does.

Oliversmummy- I think he's trying to force another election. www.google.co.uk/amp/news.sky.com/story/amp/why-the-tories-are-terrified-of-another-general-election-10911525 This article from Sky news helps to explain why. If he pushes TM hard enough to get a no confidence vote in either her or form a minority government and force the Tories to vote no confidence in him then he can get another election and he has the momentum at the minute.

Realistically he can't. But he has to talk the talk . That is what politicians do. But when this coalition of chaos falls apart I know which party will be stronger than they were when this unnecessary vanity project wasting taxpayers money election was called.
To me that is a win for Labour and a huge own goal for the Conservatives but a loss for the whole country due to the unnecessary political turmoil we are facing at a critical Brexit negotiation time.

Because he doesn't actually need a coalition to bring the government down oliversmumsarmy. May could be ousted without Corbyn being able to form an administration either. Either from her own party and replaced by someone else to attempt a Tory minority government, or there could be another GE.

Please not another general election for a while! This one was bad enough!

But you are only talking about ousting Theresa May. Not replacing the Conservatives as ruling party.

Corbyn is putting pressure on the government which is exactly what the leader of the opposition is supposed to do. It's his job.

I feel Theresa May gets ousted by her party and replaced then her replacement as Tory leader gets to have a go at forming a government. If she can't hold together her coalition to pass key legislation then the leader of the opposition gets to put forward a queen's speech. If that gets voted down it triggers an election.

If not "I feel"

DD's teen friends were discussing the election last night. When asked whether there would be another GE this year, one of them said "I wouldn't have thought so - Theresa May could barely be bothered with this one"

But you are only talking about ousting Theresa May. Not replacing the Conservatives as ruling party.

I presume that's because you were talking about ousting TM, so people replied to you in those terms! But obviously, if another GE is forced, JC would have the opportunity to get enough seats to form a government then. So there's your answer. That's what he's trying to do and why he's trying to do it.

There's also the fact that although TM is polling really badly with the public at the moment, every other Tory is even less favourable. So it makes his job easier if she's replaced with someone even more toxic.

And yeah, that's kind of the job of the Leader of the Opposition. It's exactly what TM should be doing if roles were reversed.

For the sake of the country and our economy we need to have a strong austere government and the Tories are the only ones who can deliver that
Austerity is not good for the economy, it stifles it.

Jeremy Corbyn is a deluded Marxist who, had he gained number 10 would in all probability never called another election and turned Britain into a Marxist state. Make no mistake, this man is dangerous

Ooooookay then... if you say so dear

Corbyn is demonstrating why he's unfit to be Prime Minister. Putting his own interest before the country's interest.

As pp said he doesn't have the numbers to form a government himself and an immediate General Election would be a disaster. I expect his plans to try and vote down the Queen's speech would also split Labour again.

On May calling this General Election, it wasn't just about increasing her majority but also the time frame for Brexit. In reality it could take five years and a General Election three years in could have been problematic.

If soft Brexit means staying in the single market then the EU will insist FOM would have to stay too and a very large number of Leave voters won't accept that. Labour made promises in their Brexit manifesto that they can't keep.

Heaven forfend the leader of the main opposition party dare to oppose!

Honestly, I'll hear a lot of things against Corbyn, I have a number of reservations about him and although I'm not a party member, he wouldn't have been my choice of leader if he was. But complaining about him doing what leaders of opposition parties are supposed to do is just silly. That's how our system works! He's doing what he has a mandate and even a duty to do.

He is doing the job he is paid to do as
leader of the opposition. Opposing the government to force them to earn the support they need in parliament rather than waving through whatever TM asks for.

A cross-party Brexit approach is definitely the best possible outcome. Something this important shouldn't be dictated by party-political point scoring.

YY

It should have been like this from the beginning.

Hopefully it will end up like this now.

If I were you, Cuppa, I wouldn't be throwing out accusations of putting personal interest before country while Theresa May (and indeed David Cameron) are still in the picture.

I'm inclined to agree that the Brexit timetable was part of her calculation. She knew that a deal/no deal was likely to happen uncomfortably close to a general election and she was probably hoping to dodge that bullet by winning one now. Once again, that nothing to do with what was good for the country and everything to do with what might be good for her.

The job of leader of the opposition is not to try and bring down a newly elected government when there is no viable alternative, throwing the country in to a period of serious instability and election after election at a time when our national security is threatened and putting the economy at risk. This isn't just about Brexit.

Hold a General Election immediately and Corbyn still won't win.

If the government falls, it will have brought itself down by holding a totally unnecessary election. They and no-one else are the ones who have thrown the country into instability.

I agree that Corbyn still has a lot to do.

Probably he wouldn't, but that doesn't change the fact that actually, yes, that's exactly what the job of the leader of the opposition is (although I don't think he officially has that title yet). To oppose. It doesn't matter whether you like that or not.

I can't say I enjoy instability but thanks to the stupidity of two successive Tory PMs, that is what we are now condemned to. Which would be the case even without any calls for TM to stand down, since what we have is a minority government with a not even properly agreed arrangement with a party who are unacceptable to the large majority of the electorate.

And really, if TM does go, do you honestly think it'll be anything to do with Corbyn, Farron and Sturgeon calling for it? It won't! It'll be because her own MPs boot her out. Surely that must be obvious?

Floisme After the Election result it would have been much easier for May to walk away like Cameron did when he didn't get the Referendum result he wanted. I admire her for staying on and acting swiftly to ensure stable government. The fact she's prepared to see Brexit through and act on what has been voted for rather than her own personal views is why I think she's currently the right person for the job.

The same goes for my newly reelected Conservative MP. He was a Remainer same as May but accepted the Referendum result and the strong Leave vote locally and now supports the government on Brexit.

I disagree as regards May's plans for the Brexit timetable only being beneficial to her. An election and any attempted change in direction three years in to negotiations would be problematic for all sides, here and in Brussels.

May isn't going to see through the Brexit negotiations. Not even her own party think she's going to last as Leader. The only question is whether they will try to inflict another unelected PM on the country by means of a Tory leadership contest or we will end up with another election.

The election became necessary because many Remainers wouldn't accept the Referendum result and let May get on with the Brexit process. Months of wrangling in the courts and Parliament brought us to this point.

Cuppa whatever you think of Theresa May personally (I disagree with your assessment but it's your opinion) the problem she has now - and it's entirely self inflicted - is that she's a joke. I think a leader can withstand a lot of crap but once people are laughing at you, you're finished. She's in no position to take change of Brexit talks because no-one will take her seriously. I have no doubt that her own party are arranging for her removal as we speak.