Why doesn't Corbyn understand that he lost?

[Sittinonthefloor]

I'm totally bemused! He thinks it's an absolutely 'incredible' result and that May should resign. Has no one told him that more people voted for her and the tories have more MPs? The tories ran an appalling campaign, trying to sell hugely unpopular policies, May comes across dreadfully (all twitchy and brittle) yet still more people voted for her - even with all the bribes he was offering. A decent candidate could have won it for labour, (Yvette cooper?) I know there's been a big swing, but still! Not winning against a poor opponent who's run a dreadful campaign is hardly a cause for celebration.

So they got 30 more seats than last time. The conservatives lost 13. A mere difference of 2.4 % between the two.
O and Plymouth was won by Labour and about 5k votes were not counted for Labour.

Sorry 6.5 k and it was a key marginal.

The Conservatives lost 13. And that means people want change. Don't forget they only got a small majority last time. And now what? May shows herself to be the biggest hypocrite ever. All shortly before the Brexit negotiations. 15 years ago nobody would have believed this scenario.

Yes I think the point is that key Tory seats were lost to Labour.

TBH I do wonder if May just knew Brexit would be a disaster and wanted out.

I wonder if part of the reason for calling general election was to break down the SNP stronghold in Scotland.

And still didn't get enough seats even if he cobbled together with any other parties to form a coalition

And yet succeeded beyond all expectations to ensure May is now going cap in hand to the DUP, all the while trying to ignore the Tory storm clouds gathering above her head.

Great result Theresa 👍

OCSock, I wouldn't worry too much, many 17 year olds don't end up doing what they wanted to at 17, teaching resilience is the best thing you can do. A lot of young people that want to do animation or gaming will end up in IT and that's a good career with lots of jobs. I know friends who've done art degrees who've ended up in PR/marketing etc. I'm not sure you can make them realize, they have to realize it otherwise you become bad cop.

yes I can't help thinking that it doesn't really matter who gets in and delivers Brexit - because they'll get the blame. And also it is possible a LOT of borrowing will be needed to support the dislocation costs of Brexit.

I'd rather Corbyn got in and delivered Brexit than the conservatives because I can't see where the money comes from to spend our way out of brexit and then do the spending Corbyn is proposing.

Hmmm, would I rather have no job at all, or a zero hours contract? I hope this isn't a choice people have to face anytime soon. I simply think people have forgotten what the early 80s felt like.

Or maybe, NoLottery you simply don't know what 2017 feels like to millions of people?

Hmmm, would I rather have no job at all, or a zero hours contract? I hope this isn't a choice people have to face anytime soon

Lots of people face this already,

Guardian are reporting that senior MPs from both Tory and Labour are putting pressure on May to see the election result I as a mandate to drop insistence on a hard Brexit and take a cross-party approach to negotiations! If this actually happens it would be the best thing to come out of this election for me.

My 17 year old is doing exactly what she wants to do at 17. Already got several months work booked. Just marking the days off till the end of term

A cross-party Brexit approach is definitely the best possible outcome. Something this important shouldn't be dictated by party-political point scoring. May doesn't have the mandate she asked for to push through Brexit on her own personal authority. She ran an explicitly presidential campaign, asking us to deliver her a personal mandate. She didn't get it. There will be backbench Tories that will rebel if she goes for hard Brexit and some who will rebel if she softens her tone even slightly. She is going to need Labour MPs to back her so may as well start reaching out to them now.

It's pretty amazing that we do not have enough money to fund the NHS well enough to at least make it safe; to fund education well enough that schools don't have to lose vital staff and have people dropping out of the teaching profession; to fund the police well enough that they are not warning of burnout... but we can afford numerous stupid election/referendum campaigns that make the country's situation worse each time; can afford yet more cuts in tax; can afford changes in education which go contrary to the research and recommendations of all the experts consulted; can afford huge changes to the structure of the NHS which appear to have made everything more chaotic, etc, etc. And we are supposed to believe this country is well run?! Any idiot can make cuts to a budget, especially if they simultaneously put their hands over their ears and shout, "I'm not listening!" when warned these are not efficiency savings, they are dangerous. It's harmful ideological change after ideological change and bugger all understanding of what it takes to run anything real - they only understand personal wealth management, and this country is not a share portfolio.

Indeed, this result makes a hard Brexit much more difficult. That must be a big part of the reason why Remain voters swung so much towards Labour.

For all the remarks about people voting Labour to get Brexit upthread, which are fair enough if people are just having a pop at the expense of Labour Remainers but not if they genuinely think that, people seem to have decided to be pragmatic. Trying to block hard Brexit rather than Brexit per se.

And millions of people will be pissed off by the Brexit deal we get, that's a 100% certainty. Nobody really wants to be the person to negotiate that!

I agree with roundabout's point. I've read that this election has cost at least £140 million. Let's say that again: £140million of public money pissed away on a vanity election. And the Tory party has the nerve to claim they're careful with money.

How silly you are. I don't mean monetary benefits from the government I mean benefits in the literal sense of the word. Benefits to people in the short term - i.e. benefits from Labour's spend spend spend policy. Does no-one remember what a state the last Labour government got us into? People have very conveniently short memories if they can't even see further back than last week. Surely anyone could see that what Labour and JC were promising was cloud cuckoo land? It's also a well known fact that when people get older (and more sensible and aware of economics) that they tend to vote Conservative out of common sense?
Plus, why on earth shouldn't we pay for our elderly care if we need it? Why should we have a right to possibly years of free care when we are in possession of funds that could pay for it? I think the point of the Conservative policy is that it is payable AFTER our death, not before it. Some people will never need to do that, but some people will require care. Some of these will be below the level of contributions but some will have to contribute. The only thing wrong with this policy is that some numbskull told her to propose it during the campaign and not keep it for later.
I quite agree that she has run a terrible campaign and that she took the country for granted believing polls suggesting she would get an avalanche in her favour. Very poor advice all along. But this doesn't mean that the Tories shouldn't be in power.

And JC is deluded if he thinks he won. Since when was coming second winning? Had we better tell all those people with silver medals in the Olympics that they actually won? Do runners up at Wimbledon win really? Ridiculous.

The point about job choice didn't get across: if there are no zero hour jobs at all, the only choice will be unemployment just like 1982 for many people.

I know what life feels like in 2017 for the poorest, people on PIP etc. thanks. I don't think my family would prefer to live on job seekers though or get their work hours cut.

The economic policies of the 70s were rejected because they didn't work.

I should also point out at this point that I believe there has been electoral fraud. Much to our amazement my husband received two ballot cards asking him to go to two different voting stations. Naturally he did not. He used the one that we always go to and mentioned the second card to the officers there and they said to check the numbers were the same or different. He had two different numbers. We worked out this occurred because both of us received emails telling us to renew our names on the voting register (some time before the election was called) and he did it but I did not. I just didn't get round to it.
I would like to suggest that this was not an isolated occurrence. How do we know that thousands (or millions) of people didn't receive double sets of polling cards? This could have made a big difference to seats that were marginal (unlike ours which was a safe seat so an extra vote would have made no difference). Could this have affected the actual outcome of the election?

Fraud, waterhorse?! That would be incompetence, not fraud. Do you not understand the difference? Or do you think your dh was in on it and planned to vote twice? Is he a Labour supporter, or a Tory? If the latter, do you think the Tories were teying to rig a landslide?! I blame all the cuts - there aren't enough people being paid to get the job done properly...

If the op and her supporters are trying to say that Corbyn hasn't won anything yet then I would agree. A moral victory is all very well but they still have a lot of ground to make up and there's likely to be another election soon. But as they're clearly a lot better organised than I ever gave them credit for, I imagine they're on it already.

But a lot of posts on here - I'm not going to dignify them by name - are just trying to deflect attention from their own abject failure by pointing at the opposition. It's the oldest trick in the book and it's risible.

You can wriggle and distract all you like but the fact is that the Tory party has just pissed away a perfectly workable majority on a vanity project. History will point at them and laugh.

I know lots of overseas voters did not get their voting cards in time. Yes, maybe a Tory attempt at fraud to increase their chances of a hard Brexit.

How is Jeremy Corbyn expecting to oust Theresa May when even if he had a coalition with the SNP, the Liberal Democrats, Plaid Cymru, the Green party he would still be short of even getting to the 318 seats that Conservatives got