Why doesn't Corbyn understand that he lost?

[Sittinonthefloor]

I'm totally bemused! He thinks it's an absolutely 'incredible' result and that May should resign. Has no one told him that more people voted for her and the tories have more MPs? The tories ran an appalling campaign, trying to sell hugely unpopular policies, May comes across dreadfully (all twitchy and brittle) yet still more people voted for her - even with all the bribes he was offering. A decent candidate could have won it for labour, (Yvette cooper?) I know there's been a big swing, but still! Not winning against a poor opponent who's run a dreadful campaign is hardly a cause for celebration.

Ah! Ok I get it.

I relay my personal experience as someone heavily reliant on the state & reasons why I thought JC would be detrimental to that, but because they're not aligned with yours they're invalid and 'wow. Just wow'.

Nice one!

Is Farron serious when he says the Brexit negotiations should be put on hold? I thought that was a legal thing and not possible to change the date.

Yes thanks I do know how it works.
But as I say it's irrelevant as JC will not get the backing of the other
Party's on every if any vote so it is literally his minority against a conservative majority simple as and a nice big majority I'd say.
Not interested in the fact no one got 326 votes as it dosent matter when the huge amount of seats difference stands as it does and the fact that the majority of the time the commons is only about half full or empty however you view it.
Looking at it as you are you need every single vote to have every single MP that's not conservative to vote against them.
Getting half them out of bed would be a miracle

'Realists get things done'

Well, I guess we'll see, won't we?

God , I feel so secure with May, Davis, Rudd and Johnson at the helm. What could POSSIBLY go wrong?

Fauchelevent: Very well said!

326 seats

Ruth Davidson is literally the only reason Teresa May is still in Downing Street. May lost, she has been saved by Davidson's Scottish conservatives and the DUP. Corbyn and Davidson are the ones who made gains in this election. Without the 12 seats gained in Scotland May would have been out.

MaQueen
Am I right in thinking JC actually got fewer votes than Gordon Brown did when he stood?

No, you're wrong. HTH.

The biggest seat loser last night was Sturgeon.

Am I right in thinking JC actually got fewer votes than Gordon Brown did when he stood?

No I don't think so.

May increase her vote share on Cameron.

Apparently people were turned away from voting. How can that be fair?

"Ah! Ok I get it.

I relay my personal experience as someone heavily reliant on the state & reasons why I thought JC would be detrimental to that, but because they're not aligned with yours they're invalid and 'wow. Just wow'.

Nice one!"

I enjoy and get a lot out of discussing and debating politics but generally do not like to make these discussion personal. Which why I did not go into details in my reply to your post.

However as this seems to have offended you I will expand. You are the very definition of a turkey voting for Christmas.

If you want a further explanation as to why please read some of my earlier posts.

Abbott got a greater majority in her constituency than May did votes.

Rudd retained her seat by a couple of hundred.

Carrollocking - no, the Tories don't have a majority at all, let alone a big one. Do you need someone to explain to you how it works?

Is Farron serious when he says the Brexit negotiations should be put on hold? I thought that was a legal thing and not possible to change the date.

He should be concentrating on removing the "Democrats" from his party's name.

He should also consider his position. The Lib Dems were the only party openly wanting to reverse the referendum decision. He had a pool of 48% of the electorate to draw from (plus centrist Labour supporters), and he managed 14 seats.

This hung parliament was caused by Theresa May's ineptitude. An even half-decent conservative manifesto, and she'd have got a thumping majority.

Please stop painting left wing politics as some sort of pie in the sky dreamland which people always reject when they are older and wiser

The only explanation for people changing their votes as they get older is that their memories get worse and they forget about the parties and policies that helped them when they were young...

Its certainly not true here in Finland at least - people aged 50+ are more likely to vote for the biggest Left Wing party (SDP), they at least don't forget the importance of workers' rights and looking after the poor.

'Please stop painting left wing politics as some sort of pie in the sky dreamland which people always reject when they are older and wiser'

Yes. This attitude does annoy me too. My most intelligent friends including doctors and academics with 1st degrees from Oxford consider themselves left wingers.

I agree Lottie, I am 45 and not stupid. My parents at 70 and also pretty clever. It's patronising.

Majority, by definition just means the greater number. So whilst the Conservatives do not have a "majority government (ie. more seats then all of the parties combined together)" they do still have the majority of the seats; they have more seats than any other party.

We use the terms interchangeably.

Corbyn inspired people, made people think there was a different way
Its easy to inspire people when you promise them so much money. I almost wish Labour had won to show the country what really happens when you spend and borrow so much. But he lost so we have to get on with things as best we can.

Carollocking I agree on the numbers, it'll be business as usual for the Tories allied with the DUP for some votes and not needing them for others.

Regarding Brexit, both Conservative and Labour voters have given May a mandate to get on with it. Negotiations need to be swift.

After two General Elections and the EU referendum in the last two years there's no real appetite for another any time soon. We have a new government that I believe will prove to be stable, the Tories have got their five years. May to see through Brexit then maybe a leadership challenge, maybe not.

Labour had a chance at this Election and I agree Op with a different leader could have won. Never under Corbyn, chance lost.

However as this seems to have offended you I will expand. You are the very definition of a turkey voting for Christmas.

Im really not, but do keep trotting out trite & tired phrases as they really help to further discussion no end.

Teresa needed an A* to be head girl. Her nearest rival was running an E average. Teresa got an A. Her rival got a C- and a gold star for effort.
She won but she has to take on a deputy in order to do her job.
She. Won.
Can we just get on with the important stuff now and see what happens instead of trying to second guess the effects?
Why is no one banging on about the hypocrisy of Ms Stugeon when she moans that there will be a cobbled-together government. Her party lost over 20 seats. She should be concentrating on her own back yard and delivering her manifesto before bitching about Westminster.

Ah, go on then OP, I'll bite.

Consider how far behind the Labour party and Jeremy Corbyn were in the polls when this election was called. Consider where they are now. Do you think for a second that anyone in the Tory party today is thinking of this election result as a victory? Her party colleagues will be gunning for Theresa May now - and rightly so.

Theresa May's Home Secretary was only able to secure a majority in her seat on the third recount. Amber Rudd's majority on the recount was 346. Her counterpart in the Labour party's majority was 35,139 despite a vitriolic campaign in the gutter press against her.

Theresa May herself said she would not have a mandate to negotiate on Brexit if she lost 6 seats. She has lost double that and is trying to plough on regardless. The only was she has been able to form a majority is with a party whose finances and policies are now going to be gone through with a fine-tooth comb. We shall see what that will bring but the irony of her wittering on about Jeremy Corbyn being a terrorist sympathiser is not lost on most people who know anything about the DUP. The only Tory celebrating last night was Ruth Davidson who is already distancing herself today from the DUP and their anti-gay marriage stance.

Despite all the mud slung at them over the past months/years by many in the mainstream media, Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott have secured majorities in their constituencies which have made them the most popular constituency MPs in the history of the United Kingdom. The history of the UK. It has been extremely gratifying to listen to the Blairites and many many media observers who claimed that Labour would never win seats under Corbyn have to eat their words today.

So, yes, Labour did not secure a majority. But they have prevented the Tories from securing theirs. Who knows what the future will bring? But, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect Jeremy Corbyn and those who support him and what he stands for to be celebrating today. And you can rant away at Radio 4 as much as you like, but that's not going to change anything .

The Tories may have won a larger number of seats and share of the vote, but there's absolutely no question in my mind that Labour were the real winners.

i hope it's the start of a new era of youth-led democracy.