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Why doesn't Corbyn understand that he lost?

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Sittinonthefloor · 09/06/2017 14:09

I'm totally bemused! He thinks it's an absolutely 'incredible' result and that May should resign. Has no one told him that more people voted for her and the tories have more MPs? The tories ran an appalling campaign, trying to sell hugely unpopular policies, May comes across dreadfully (all twitchy and brittle) yet still more people voted for her - even with all the bribes he was offering. A decent candidate could have won it for labour, (Yvette cooper?) I know there's been a big swing, but still! Not winning against a poor opponent who's run a dreadful campaign is hardly a cause for celebration.

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ethelfleda · 09/06/2017 17:44

fauchelevent I literally want to applaud you. Brilliant post!

chocolateworshipper · 09/06/2017 17:47

It's almost worth it, just to be able to say that we are now ruled by the MayDUP alliance

ethelfleda · 09/06/2017 17:47

Carollocking I wouldnt call 318 SEATS (not votes!) a massive majority in parliament overall...

Fauchelevent · 09/06/2017 17:48

moomin oh well that definitely IS me! They are right.

passes round bong and dons tinted sunglasses radical man
(Am I doing this right? The closes we millenials have had to hippie is the boho trend as pioneered by the Right Honourable Mary Kate and Ashley)

MissShittyBennet · 09/06/2017 17:49

Weird ! Unless maths has changed a lot since I went to school I'd call 318 votes to 261 a massive 57 vote difference but you call as you like

You do realise that's not a majority, though? Which is kind of the point of this whole discussion! If you mean the Tories have got 57 seats more than Labour (which is a decrease on the 2015-17 Parliament in any case) then say that, not that they have a majority when they don't!

Italiangreyhound · 09/06/2017 17:49

I think it is brilliant he is so optimistic, that is what we need.

Another election soon and labour to win!

Fauchelevent · 09/06/2017 17:49

No I cannot spell Millennial**

Carollocking · 09/06/2017 17:51

As I said earlier do you think good old JC is going to get the backing of all other parties and there members daily on every vote ? Not a hope in hell lol,so yes it's a majority that's plenty big enough

MaQueen · 09/06/2017 17:52

Am I right in thinking JC actually got fewer votes than Gordon Brown did when he stood?

GetAHaircutCarl · 09/06/2017 17:53

I'll be very interested that see what happens to the political involvement of the 18-30 vote.

Clearly this group have been engaged and motivated. And whilst the party leadership consider the result a success, the cold hard fact is that none of the policies will be adopted.

Today tuition fees stand, the education budget will remain in dire problems, Brexit remains in the hands of the Tories ( plus mates) etc, etc, etc.

That disappointment is tough to shift. Hopefully some ( many?) will remain politically active but I think we have to be realistic.

BTW of course some of us old gimmers know a few young 'uns. We have them living with us ( ASBO free generally), we might teach them or work with them Shock.

MaQueen · 09/06/2017 17:54

Agree carol, considering that most of JC's own party cannot stand him, I don't think he's going to have much luck persuading any other party to side with him...

Charmageddon · 09/06/2017 17:55

YY Get Grin

We also weren't born this age...

explodingkittens · 09/06/2017 17:56

Charmageddon, I'm probably more or less the same age as you, and I couldn't disagree more.

I hate this patronising 'oh, when you grow up a bit you'll soon see the error of your silly left-wing ways'. It baffles me, why people want to revel in their world-weary, seen-it-all-before cynicism, like it's some kind of badge of honour and maturity and knowledge. It's not. It's not wisdom, it's apathy.

I agree with one thing, though. Ideology doesn't pay the bills. Tory ideology definitely doesn't.

Fauche, great post, good on you.

Leanback · 09/06/2017 17:56

maqueenno he got more actual votes than any labour leader since Blair 1997 and more labour seats than brown or millaband.

MissShittyBennet · 09/06/2017 17:56

Carollocking do you understand the way British politics works?

The term majority has a specific meaning. It isn't the same as having a lead. If you have under half the seats, or at best, under half of the non-abstentionist seats, you haven't got a majority. A majority means more than every other party put together. It doesn't mean you have more seats than any other single party: what that makes you is the largest single party. This is what the Tories are, having managed to throw away the small but mainly workable majority that they held previously.

Also do you know that JC doesn't need the backing of all other parties and Labour members daily on every vote for this administration to fall? That's not how it works!

GetAHaircutCarl · 09/06/2017 17:56

Each generation likes to think it invented sex, art and politics.

PumpkinPiloter · 09/06/2017 17:57

"Under JC I'd have been heaps better off, as would my kids (I'm a single parent on ESA, with teens).
However, I was painfully aware that I'd be living in a land of milk & honey for app 5 years, by which point JC's manifesto commitments would have chased off a lot of the country's biggest tax givers (the highest earners & businesses), as well as pretty much bankrupting the country.
After that I'm exactly the type of person that would be crushed under the inevitable Tory mopping-up-labours-economic-mess govt, and my kids would be paying for it for decades."

Wow just wow.

Dandandandandandandan · 09/06/2017 17:57

The whole lot is shit.

We should put down all the horses in the race and start again.

Charmageddon · 09/06/2017 17:59

What is 'wow. Just wow' about that pumpkin??

Willyoujustbequiet · 09/06/2017 17:59

He didn't lose though did he. He stopped the Conservatives getting a majority and a mandate. He won the victory. They lost in essence.

I'm no fan of his but he won the day.

Jaxhog · 09/06/2017 18:01

One thing no-one has mentioned is the unfairness of constituency sizes. If the new constituency boundaries has been implemented, the results would be a bit different. It takes more votes to elect a Conservative MP than a Labour one.

But to get back to the point, yes, JC ran a better campaign. But he promised lots of things he didn't think he'd have to deliver. As did all the minority parties. He, and they, are idealists, TM is a realist. Realists get things done. Idealists don't.

JC may have won back seats, but, at the end of the day, he still lost.

MissShittyBennet · 09/06/2017 18:03

Where are people seeing about SF press conference btw? I googled and it was just Gerry Adams 4 hours ago saying they won't sit.

lazycrazyhazy · 09/06/2017 18:03

I just hope this means we can have a softer Brexit. It's about the only good thing that can come out of this chaos.

^ this

PumpkinPiloter · 09/06/2017 18:03

Its strange I followed the election closely and no one offered me and sweets or goodies in their manifesto perhaps I wasn't selected for this special sugary give away.

All I saw in the Labour manifesto was a commitment to the NHS, police, education and welfare state. Weirdly enough I did not find any of these particularly shocking as I grew up enjoying the benefit of them all.

GColdtimer · 09/06/2017 18:04

What other candidate? I don't think more blairiite centrism would have worked. Corbyn inspired people, made people think there was a different way. Look at the rallies - who else could have achieved it. He has won as everyone thought he would loose seats, that there would be a Tory landslide. Think what he could do if the whole party was behind him.

What he has achieved is amazing, in political terms.