Why doesn't Corbyn understand that he lost?

[Sittinonthefloor]

I'm totally bemused! He thinks it's an absolutely 'incredible' result and that May should resign. Has no one told him that more people voted for her and the tories have more MPs? The tories ran an appalling campaign, trying to sell hugely unpopular policies, May comes across dreadfully (all twitchy and brittle) yet still more people voted for her - even with all the bribes he was offering. A decent candidate could have won it for labour, (Yvette cooper?) I know there's been a big swing, but still! Not winning against a poor opponent who's run a dreadful campaign is hardly a cause for celebration.

Yes. This attitude does annoy me too. My most intelligent friends including doctors and academics with 1st degrees from Oxford consider themselves left wingers.

That's always the sort of people that stay left wing as they get older though isn't it? People who are nicely padded from being affected by their fuck ups by their wads of cash.

guitargirl Round of applause! Well said

"Despite all the mud slung at them over the past months/years by many in the mainstream media"

This went both ways; it was not a one-way shit slinging, and it was not just limited to journalists. It's actually something I really disagree with and think we need to stamp out of politics. Our Conservative candidate had a clean run and debate, our Labour candidate started shit slinging early on - one of the reasons that I decided not to vote for her.

Could we have a system whereby politicians were actually picked up for the mud-hurling comments towards opponents, because surely that would focus the debate more on politics, and we'd end up with a more transparent view on manifestos, issues and election promises?

Correction "This went ALL ways", not both ways.

A bit grumpy BillDog

charmageddon I completely agree with everything you've said

There's a book of rules called the Cabinet Manual which deals with, among other things, the procedures to be followed and the potential outcomes following the election of a hung parliament. One of those potential outcomes is that the leader of the party getting the second highest number of seats could be asked to form a government. Jeremy Corbyn was exactly right in what he said.

Totally agree op YA SO NBU.....incredible arrogance and delusion

charmageddon I completely agree with everything you've said
So do I! I remember Blair, too. If Corbyn can't get elected now, he never will. Therefore, neither will the Labour party.

But the young people around me (which may not be representative) are all very motivated to vote for Corbyn, as they thought it was worth a punt to save them £30k plus interest. None of them voted Labour out of anything other than self interest.

One of the things I find really troubling about Corbyn is this messiah status/cult like following at rallies and so on. It seems people are ready to accept everything he says/promises without question and without looking deeper into his background and so on.
He was absolutely useless during Brexit and subsequently.
Given TM's poor campaign it was an open goal for labour if they had somebody better in charge.
I find his arrogance today also disturbing and wonder what sort of person he really is, given that he's alienated a lot of his own party.

QuiteUnfitBit this is a lie, there are young people who have and will never go to uni. They voted for a fairer system, I am sick of the most vulnerable people been shitted on while the super rich like Phillip Green get to tax dodge. Why can't we all give a shit about each other?

Carrollocking - no, the Tories don't have a majority at all, let alone a big one. Do you need someone to explain to you how it works?

I already have.

She appears to be inhabiting a parallel universe where majority means minority and where JC would have to get the backing of all other parties every day rather than just a couple of times to bring this administration down. Either that or she's realised her mistake but doesn't want to back down.

Lol ,love it,could be asked to form a parliament,he can't even get half his own party on his side.
More chance of forming a parliament on the moon.

I think this joke comes my mind so much today so a little adaptation and it refers perfectly to JC and May.

So JC and MAY are out on the Serengeti plains and MAYs bending over slipping on her running shoes JC also spots the lion she had and says you'll never outrun it,as she smiles and replies my dear I really don't know what you mean ! I don't need to outrun the lion .....

One of those potential outcomes is that the leader of the party getting the second highest number of seats could be asked to form a government.

Only if the Tories couldn't. Once the final numbers were in it was clear they could and May moved swiftly with the DUP.

An alliance between Labour and the Lib Dems would have been untenable anyway with their differing policies on Brexit. Disaster avoided.

CaptainMarvelDanvers I'm not sure what you think I said is a lie.
I am sick of the most vulnerable people been shitted on while the super rich like Phillip Green get to tax dodge. Why can't we all give a shit about each other? Surely most people agree with that!

I do think it's interesting that people from NI are reacting differently to this. We in England in particular, because of our FPTP, don't do well with the idea that you can have the most seats and still have fucked things up entirely for yourself. NI has some pretty recent experience of almost this exact scenario and from what I can see online, social media etc, they seem much more conversant with the idea that the party with the most seats is not necessarily the winner.

He did so well
Maligned by the press, the Conservatives and his own party he has truly shined in this campaign and made great strides. He should be feeling most chuffed with himself.
But now we are faced with a Con- DUP mash up which seems a bit of a worry. TM appears to have sold her soul to the Devil in a search for power.

He was absolutely useless during Brexit and subsequently

Agreed. I voted for him pretty reluctantly because of that. I won't forgive him for it.

Given TM's poor campaign it was an open goal for labour if they had somebody better in charge.

Disagreed. It appears to have been the youth what won it, and Corbyn was a big part of that. He got a considerable personal vote there.

the party with the most seats is not necessarily the winner.

True as in Trump but in this case May did get more votes and a higher % vote share than Corbyn.

But only because of Scotland and I think Ruth Davidson and not Teresa May gets to take credit for that.

QuiteUnfitBit I'm saying people voted for Jeremy Corbyn because they want a fairer society, stop saying they voted just because they want free fees.

*Free uni not free fees

He knows he has lost - of course he does. But he also knows that Labour did massively better than was predicted - he is entitled to be pleased about that.

His call for May to resign is being echoed in most parties and is not related to his knowledge that he did not win, but to the knowledge that she made a bog up of it all.

Also cuppa- to add to your excellent point, for the party with the second highest number of seats to form a coalition, they would still need to top 326 to form a majority. Even with all the other party seats available except tories added together, labour still wouldn't have got to 326. So it's nothing to do with Tories getting in there first or having first refusal etc.

The youth vote may have won it for Corbyn but if another Labour leader had been in charge, Labour would have attracted a LOT more old-git votes from people like me. I hate May but nothing on earth would induce me to vote for her alternative, not least because Corbyn is anti Brexit and helped lose the referendum. Until Labour goes centrist again, they will struggle to win.