TO BE ABSOLUTELY THRILLED AT A HUNG PARLIAMENT

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This is the best outcome by miles. No hard brexit. (The city now predicts soft Brexit or even no Brexit!!!) No more crazy ideas by either side. Compromise. Tories given a good slap in the face for this stupid election.

This is the first election day in a long time with a good result!

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Brexit will happen, that's why it's so frustrating that people have used their vote because they've wrongly thought that there is a way out of it.

Of course the city is reacting to uncertainy!
My point was in direct response to the OP saying "the city is predicting soft or even no brexit"

The city is predicting no such thing.

And to the PP saying it needed a correction - that's all well and good but when coupled with a falling pound and a flatlining economic growth forecast, it isn't very good news for anyone with a pension, given the majority of FTSE250 investors are pension funds
It isn't city fatcats who will feel the brunt of this, and with potentially another 5 years of uncertainty, my mind boggles for anyone who welcomes this

Or we could recognise that the nation has come back to its senses and forget the whole idiotic idea of Brexit.

As a remainer I would love nothing more - but very stupid question, haven't we already checked out when we triggered article 50? Once you've triggered, can you un trigger it?

Hypothetically in a fantasy world where we decide brexit is ridiculous, could we even stay even if we wanted to?

Purely academic as we've committed to leaving and it's down to how much we want to shoot ourselves in the foot in the process of doing so - but am completely ignorant of the exact mechanism of article 50!

time4chocolate I agree with you, a hung parliament is the worst outcome, all parties will be bickering, agreement "one happy family" dont make me laugh! Never understood the voting system in this country have to have this huge majority to win, when you are a (real) family round the table vote to go somewhere, 3 votes to 4, they win, frankly I would rather Corbyn with his silly ideas had got in, then I could have said "told you so". DH said not one single person he works with voted, one has had the right for 18 years never used it, ironically they were all anti labour, but couldnt be bothered it was too much trouble to visit the polling booth, ah, welcome to the mess that WAS great britain!

Hung parliaments are scary because of the instability.
But at least Corbyn won't be PM as he's a disaster and maybe this will soften the Tory line and lead to a softer Brexit

"Hung parliaments are scary because of the instability."

Yeah, thank you Conservative party and tabloid press for putting our country in jeopardy.

TM says she's staying on but Arlene Foster of the DUP is making noises that she believes its impossible for TM to stay on, so is the price of them joining some coalition TM's head?

UKIP have been propping the Tories up - and many people find them racist, misogynist, disablist, homophobic and largely unpleasant. So the prospect of the DUP being on the scene is potentially not as bad as it sounds. They only have 10 seats and the UK does not have the extreme religious polarisation that characterises much of the politics in NI.

There would be substantial opposition from the Opposition, plus the Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid Cymru and the Greens to any policies that were homophobic or anti-choice. There are also plenty of moderate Tories who would be very likely to defy the whip. The Tories also need to be careful because they know that the DUP are not perceived well in mainland Britain, meaning that if they want any chance of a majority at the next GE they cannot agree to every single policy just because their coalition partner says they want it.

I'm not a fan by any stretch, but the takeaway for me is that the DUP don't want a 'hard' Brexit which I think is good news for Ireland, as there was the concern that re-imposing the border would re-ignite the Troubles. There is an entire generation now that has no memory of what it used to be like - which is a good thing. If getting into bed with the DUP and having to hold your nose whilst doing so, means that we don't see a return to a hard Irish border, bombs and instability, then it will be a price worth paying.

the DUP are allegedly pro-brexit and pro-union
I still say a hung parliament is a situation where 'no-one wins'
Interestingly (for me anyway) is how many seats were won one very few votes - I think there was one seat where there was less than 10 votes in it after 2 recounts.
As always under our present system, elections are won in the marginals

They can't push through anything radical as there are only 10 of them

Foster has already intimated that she wants TM to go in order for the DUP to form a coalition

And while 10 of them can't force through anything, they can insist on modifications and amendments to bills before they'll give it their backing

The LibDems did exactly this during the last coalition but their aim was to soften Tory policy and drag things back to the middle ground

It is entirely possible that the DUP will use their balance of power to get the Tories to force through any number of the swivel-eyed things they stand for - the erosion of abortion rights, equality and gay rights for starters.

Years of horse trading in the northern Irish assembly mean they are very adept at it and will know what their red lines are for supporting the Tories
The biggest unknown is how desperate the Tories are for support and therefore how far they'll let the DUP go in order to win their support

impossible yes Bexit will happen, but hopefully now it won't be the ridiculous hard Brexot TM was after.

I think Olliegarchy no political system is perfect.

Proportional representation/ List systems solve some of the points you make but you always end up with a hung parliament.

There is no such thing as a soft Brexit. It was a panacea to the losing side.

Free trade was never going to happen without freedom of movement.

Remainers were never going to accept lose of free trade. Brexiteers were never going to accept continued freedom of movement.

Best result we picked a side and argued hard for the best we could get on the other.

Now all that's going to happen is we will give away too much and retain too little.

All the while will argue ourselves to peices.

McDonnell says they are looking to put together a minority government. Without speaking to any other parties.

How on earth does he think that would get through a Queens Speech. They don't have the numbers.

Pure bluster.

Thanks, PaulDacres, your posts are really interesting and informative for me. :)

It is bad news a majority of any party would ensure we get a decent Brexit deal, this way we look very stupid and they will be more aggressive with us.

Thanks, PaulDacres, your posts are really interesting and informative for me.

Yes, me too.

I agree, I'm very happy with the outcome. May was arrogant and it has backfired on her.

"Why should we have just handed that arrogant may free reign? She wouldn't even tell us her plans!
She deserves this."

You think the fallout on this is only going to affect May?

Good analysis, PaulDacresFeministConscience.

There are enough moderate/Remain type Tory backbenchers to make sure that the new government doesn't get away with hardline Brexit proposals. And May will have to go. I'm pretty sure of that. The Tories might even elect someone with leadership skills and an ability to negotiate to replace her (not holding my breath).

Osborne must be kicking himself that he buggered off to edit the Standard when he could have been fighting a leadership contest.

DUP are pro soft Brexit though. And remaining in the single market.

Well, the young people have spoken! No more policies only for old rich boomers in million pound houses with huge pensions and free education, all paid for by the young working for minimum wage, sharing a room in a grotty buy-to-let!

Once you've triggered, can you un trigger it?

Yes, you can. And the EU indicated back in April that they'd accept that.

"All the while will argue ourselves to pieces." Shame the Conservatives brought this shambolic situation upon us